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SC lady
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« on: September 09, 2007, 08:40:18 PM »

At the risk of sounding more strange than I already do  Wink, I'll ask this question:
Are there any Sacred Harp singers out there?

The reason I ask is that I've been singing a high treble part since I was a teenager. The regular four part harmony where sopranos took the melody didn't appeal to me as I liked the 'vibration' when the notes merged into a harmony. I tried but the alto part and/or 2nd soprano was too low. Since there weren't any high harmonies written, I just invented my own.  Of course, I didn't know that was what it was called all this time. I just liked the sound of blended voices that didn't necessarily need an instrument. I especially like the sound created when this happens in a room that is small enough for you to hear/feel the vibrations as they bounce off of the wall and wash back over you. See? I told you I was weird.  Cheesy Cheesy

So, we sometimes attend a sweet little fellowship where during singing, the instruments will be shushed and we will sing A Capella. One of the men noticed my "squawking" and began asking me about Sacred Harp music. He had to explain it all to me and told me that I was singing the treble part.

This sent me on an internet search where I was able to listen to some examples of the music and read the history of Sacred Harp singing.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Harp )

To my ear it sounds like a mix of Appalachia, Indian sing-song music and maybe a little blue-grass (the real stuff, not the new stuff) which is an acquired taste, I know. At any rate, done well it can really sound AMAZING.

I've heard that there are song festivals where people join in to sing the old-time shape-note hymns in the Sacred Harp tradition. Does anyone know of any or are there 7xSunday-ers that still enjoy/sing Sacred Harp?
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mishy
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2007, 12:19:25 AM »

Hm, I haven't ever heard of this, but often I'll sing the higher harmony by singing the tenor line, except one octave higher, of course.  Usually it is higher than the melody, but sometimes  it goes below it. 
I started doing it with my flute first.  The church I grew up in had a couple of us woodwinds playing with the congregational singing.  Getting bored of playing the melody 4x, I would play the other voices as well, the tenor being my favorite.

I was a little confused about the "treble" part.  If you were not singing the melody, and you were singing the treble, but according to the wikipedia, the tenors and trebles sing the same note, only an octave apart, then who sings the melody? 

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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2007, 06:27:03 AM »

With the disclaimer that this is the result of my reading, having spoken with a musically trained person who heard a live performance and having listened to some online mp3 recordings, here's my explanation:

Each part in Sacred Harp(treble, alto, tenor, bass) has a bit of harmony that weaves in and out of the melody. Sometimes, only the alto's will have the melody, but in many cases, the melody 'skips' from one part to another -- just as you said your improvised treble sometimes was lower than the soprano. I do this also with my voice as I improvise a higher harmony that often mimics the tenor, but sometimes does not (especially if there is a song without the tenor). If the soprano part is too high in places for my voice to go above, I drop back to the melody for a few notes or harmonize a little below it, returning to the higher harmony when I am able.

As I understand (again from reading), Sacred Harp is designed for a participatory experience. In other words, there isn't really anyplace for an 'audience' to sit and listen. Non-singers often sit behind the tenors to listen. If you picture the points on a compass, the singers form a square facing inward. The tenors are at North. The altos are at South, trebles are West and Basses are East. A director  stands in the center and offers the pitch. Each voice part gauges how many steps above or below the pitch they are by the shape notes on the page. Using the shape notes, they sing one round voicing only the shape notes (not the lyrics). After this, they begin the same song with the lyrics and singing their respective parts. In this way, the participants are singing notes relative to each other and not necessarily a perfect reproduction of particular notes of written music.

The reason it is considered participatory is because the best place to stand and hear all of the parts together is in the center of the square (where the director stands). The next best place would be to stand and hear the singing is as you participate in the the music.

It's interesting that you started doing this using a flute. I would think that this would work better with wind and string instruments than with others -- although I cannot quite imagine how it would sound.

A thought that occurred to me is that when we sing in 'that city built four square' I wonder what kind of vocal instruments God will grant us in our new bodies and if there will be songs of praise that blend and ring like this as they wash over God on His throne (in the center) and splash back over us? What an unfathomable time!  Cool Grin

I've found two sites that you can listen to to 'hear' this type of singing. This first includes interviews with some of the participants. I don't necessarily agree with the one person that calls is 'not necessarily pretty' and the one that calls it 'shout it out harmony' because I think that the director can soften and raise parts to create a pretty and resounding performance without it being so much shouting  Undecided.

I particularly like the renditions that have fewer participants such that you can hear and get a better feel for the harmonies as in "The Promised Land."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1534280
I also like how one participant describes the experience:
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"The room vibrates with sound. It rises up into your feet, pulses through the floor. You can feel it buzzing through the tunebook in your hands," [Melissa] Block [reporter for NPR] says.
     Singer Buell Cobb says the power of the gathered voices is so strong, it feels like a solid force. "It almost seemed you could stand up and walk on it."

The other site is of large Sacred Harp conventions. Again, you get the idea of how the music goes, but I think you'd have to be there to really appreciate the experience of the sound. My favorite on this site (today  Roll Eyes) is 'The New Jerusalem' composed by Jeremiah Ingals.
http://www.pilgrimproduction.org/sacredharp/carrollton/chatahoocheeharp.html

Remember that as you listen to these, the first round is just a bunch of notes, the lyrics kick in on the second 'go-round.'

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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2007, 01:14:17 PM »

I've liked sacred harp singing for a long time now, though I don't know anything about how to sing it. I just love to listen to it!
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2007, 02:51:39 PM »

I've liked sacred harp singing for a long time now, though I don't know anything about how to sing it. I just love to listen to it!
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OH! Whiterock, WHERE do you get to go and hear it? I seem to recall strains of it from my childhood, but I haven't ever been able to hear an actual singing. Do you know of any?
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2007, 03:30:02 PM »

I've liked sacred harp singing for a long time now, though I don't know anything about how to sing it. I just love to listen to it!
WR

OH! Whiterock, WHERE do you get to go and hear it? I seem to recall strains of it from my childhood, but I haven't ever been able to hear an actual singing. Do you know of any?

I"m afraid not. I look for internet sites were I can listen to it and I have been trying to decide on some Cd's but haven't settled on one yet. But I would LOVE to go to a singing someday! I know there are some in Alabama but they are all too far away from any of the places I visit there.  Sad
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2007, 11:18:41 PM »

Wow! 
That is so amazing.  It sounds like they are actually a "piano".  They see the note on the page and sing it.  What awesome tone training and it sounds cool too. 
I don't think I could last 100 songs, but it sure sounds like tons of fun. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2007, 10:21:24 AM »

I have been exposed to Sacred Harp since finding a love for the mountain dulcimer.  I even have tab for some Sacred Harp songs (tabbed by Margaret Wright~LOVE their "Old Country Church" CD!), even though that might seem like an oxymoron~LOL!  My darling really like shape note singing, so one year for a gift I got him a CD from loudhymns.com.  Unfortunately I don't think the person that had that site is still selling CD's~he had treasures from conventions!  (((((HUGS)))))  sandi
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2007, 08:05:39 AM »

Growing up Mennonite this is how we often sang ,especially at youth gatherings ,and even when we didnt sing in Sacred Harp style we always used shape notes ,(no instruments were allowed in church ) and sang with these parts : bass ,baritone ,tenor , alto,high bass(ladies) soprano(or melody) ,high tenor(ladies) so that even our normal church services had that Sacred Harp feel to them. For an experience very much like Sacred Harp ,once a year in the summer here in Virginia there is a Harmonia Sacra hymn sing utilizing the shaped note hymnbook  The Harmonia Sacra .
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2007, 08:20:14 AM »

Herbalmama, if you get any more details about that sing, could you let us know?
Thanks for the link, sandi! They have a link that takes you to a calendar of singings by state  Grin -- although, I think it may be outdated. Still, it's a good resource.  Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2010, 09:01:27 PM »

I was looking around for some nice music to listen to and found this schedule for anybody who may be in these parts of Georgiahttp://atlantasacredharp.org/annual.html on these dates...


Did you ever get to a singing SC lady?
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