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[naturalgirl]

PS: I know this really might seem apropos-of-nothing... but Beka and I pray daily that our WTM & 7xS friends would move out somewhere along the Continental Divide in the near future... and if any of you are interested, we are more than happy to help in whatever way we can. We would LOVE to have you as neighbors!

   I would love to! But I remain in my Dad's house 
   I hope you don't mind me asking this (and maybe there is a thread for this somewhere else), but as a side note, does this neat idea of moving closer to the Continential Divide have anything to do with Beka's dreams of the near future of the possible distruction of the US?
   If this question is too out of line or a bother, I would understand if it is deleted 

~naturalgirl

[Gabriel Anast]

In short, Yes...

Please pray for me when you think about it, that I would be able to finish my writing on "The prophecy of the House of Joseph."

Of course, you can read it yourself as well... it comprises about half of the entire Bible.

--gabe

[txseawater]

PANAMA?!

[hollyolly123]

Seriously, my husband and I are thinking and praying about what we will do when he's out of the army in less than a year.  We for sure want to move out of the crummy neighborhood we're in.  Real estate info, homeschooling law info, homsteading in the desert type info would be appreciated!  Call it "migrating to the continental divide."  I don't know if the Lord will lead us there, but we're keeping all options open (and in my opinion, it sure beats moving to Maine or staying here .)  We'd sure love to have a deeper experience of "the church" as it's supposed to be, although we have reached a level of maturity (low as it may be) that we know nothing will be perfect.  I pray to God that we will be "made perfect in love."

My husband (and I) really doesn't want to get into that survivalist mentality that desires to hoard food (not bashing preparation- we're slowly doing it too) buy lots of guns, bash the government (although, we do have our eyes open), and basically seclude ourselves.  We want to be giving, loving, active members of the body (by the grace of God, of course, we're naturally selfish and a little cookoo).  He has a great desire to minister in some way, but he doesn't yet know what.  Please be thinking about and praying for our family as we prepare for the great transition that is coming- possibly to a Continental Divide near you  .

[txseawater]

 :)Seriously... "Wherever you are, BE THERE!" God knows right where you are. Daily listen and hear His voice. Rest in knowing that He has a plan. Obey His voice. When we make one step in the direction of obedience, He will move mountains to meet us. He's working on our complete trust and total faith in Him. When we are not in control, God is! Adopt the mentality and mode of being "sent out" every day, right where you are. That is not to say that God is not working on our hearts to prepare us to "go"... somewhere. We are not only being prepared for "the call" , we are IN IT! The call to "go" is simply the call to ABIDE in HIM...anywhere, among any people, and simply to share our life and HIS LIFE within us with those He leads us to. Willing to go, and willing to stay. It seems to me that many saints whom The Lord uses to minister to others many times do not even realize it, or think very much of their life or what they do. The Lord grows us up and matures us through living life. Through trials. The Lord is The Refiner purifying us by fire.   "Have MERCY , Lord!", we cry till we realize that He knows exactly what He is doing. He is bringing us into a place of becoming into His likeness, that will reflect His face. We pray that we will be made vessels for His honor, fit to be used to pour out His Spirit into the lives of others. We gotta let Him begin all that in us at home! And yes, definitely reach out too. We gotta rest in His sovereignty, trust in His  supreme wisdom, abase into His Kingly Lordship over our lives, and abound in every  good deed in Christ Jesus toward the world around us.  And I would love nothing more than if God would send us to the mountains AND to the oceans!                 

[naturalgirl]

   OK, so I live in a small town in NE...relatively close, compared to other places, but still not as "safe" as could be. What are some practical things a young woman like myself can do to prepare for such a catastrophe?
 David was secure in his God's protection, but he did know how to defend himself too. I'm just a girl who doesn't know much. What can I do? I am trying to do all I can to stay healthy, but I wonder if there is something more? For some odd reason, I have a heavy burdon that I will be needed to help those around me after whatever that may be going to happen happens, like being a nurse or something. If a nuclear war is possible, cancer would be a huge issue for everyone here, I'm guessing. I feel like a small mouse in a house of animals who is the only one who "feels" that there is a tornado coming our way, and what am I to do to help the helpless survivors? The other day I cringed when I found an outdoor kitten was dying. I felt so weak and helpless, knowing that no matter what I'd do it was going to die anyway. What will it be like to see hundreds, if not thousands of people (and maybe myself) dying painfully? Oh my Lord and King, thank You for being my shield...guide me in Your perfect truth, and give me the strength from day to day, hour to hour, minute to minute. Show me Your way, keep me in Your powerful peace and joy...
   I have shared my concerns with my Dad, and he isn't too worried about it, so I just pray and release when it comes to making big decisions like moving or stacking up large amounts of goods. He wouldn't mind if I wanted to buy myself a tent or something along that nature though. I just don't know where to start, what is most important to concentrate on in the small stuff I can keep handy (like I can use it even if nothing ever happens in the future). Any ideas?

[BJ_BOBBI_JO]

Im not sure if I am understanding what this thread is even about nor am I sure if I am going off track or not.

      I have shared my concerns with my Dad, and he isn't too worried about it, so I just pray and release when it comes to making big decisions like moving or stacking up large amounts of goods. He wouldn't mind if I wanted to buy myself a tent or something along that nature though. I just don't know where to start, what is most important to concentrate on in the small stuff I can keep handy (like I can use it even if nothing ever happens in the future). Any ideas?

Stored food eventually rots or gets infested by bugs.

But plants keep growing. That is  unless something has destroyed the landscape and made the land desolate.

But other then that one can still eat the wild roots and plants God made for us to eat. Like dandelions, wild carrot flowers and roots,  chicory flowers and roots, burdock plants, tiger lillies, garlic mustard, mints, lambs quarter leaves,  wild grapes and their leaves, milk weeds, plantain leaves and their seeds, stinging nettles,  clovers,  and many many others. ( those are some of the common ones growing wild in large numbers- one must study them to know what parts are the safe parts). www.welltellme.com has some threads on some of the wild safe weeds to eat and use.

There are so many plants out there that are safe to eat that ppl are no longer taught about. Ppl no longer know what is a safe and unsafe plant anymore. Ppl just automatically think all plants that are not sold as food in grocery stores are therefor unsafe.

If one is truly interrested in surviving and at least attempting to keep themselves fed in a time of upheaval then IMO they ought to know at least a little on which plants are safe to eat and what parts to use.

I have been trying to learn some of the main common plants a round me to eat. I learn them because they are free and healthy and made by God for us to use. And because the day may come when I need them. I am an insulin dependant diabetic. So without my insulin I would die  in a time of upheaval. But at least I can teach my kids what I know and get them used to eating the safe weeds now. And pray that they wont ever need to just eat weeds in order to survive. I pray the time does not come in their life time. But if it does then they will have some training. Some knowledge and the rest is in Gods hands.

And I would not worry about it to much. What will happen will happen. And for those of us who have chosen to have Jesus in our hearts, well we know where we are going and we know it is gonna be good.   [/color]

[txseawater]

BJ , I love what you are saying on the weeds. Foraging has been an interest of mine for quite some time. I agree, there's much to learn and those that know should share all they can with those of us who don't. I have run into problems studying on this mainly due to location. How did we get so far away from such valuable knowledge as something that CAN sustain life?

As for storable foods, there are proper ways to store grains, seeds, beans, peas,  and many other dehydrated foods that can greatly enhance a family's diet in disaster or survival situations.  Or simply to save money from food costs at the grocery stores.  Properly stored foods can be free of bugs and spoilage for years - some up to 15 yrs. Food grade pails or buckets, oxygen absorbers, nitrogen flushing, and diotomaceous earth are some of your basics when it comes to this type of food storage.

If we haven't yet educated ourselves and practiced some of these things, it might be wise to start.    We have dealt extensively with thousands of people on preparedness issues, and the main thing we saw a tendency toward was fear. Can we learn, and prepare, and be alert and aware of all of the possibilities without allowing fear, and dread to come into our lives? Can we hear the concerns, and the questions, and evaluate the probabilities, and come up with some solutions, and some answers, and do what we can do with peace, and confidence in God that He will be sovereign in our lives as we give them over to Him? And with God's sense of humor, a man may learn all there is to learn about disaster preparedness, and survival, and after having set his family up perfectly in a bunker, and a yurt, and an earth house half buried, or a cave with supplies to last 15 yrs per person, He may then call that man to leave all that he has, and take his family to Israel or Italy or Russia or China... to share the simple gospel of Jesus Christ. Praise God! He then will have prepared all that for someone else, no doubt. In God's economy, there will be no need for fear.   

 

[hollyolly123]

Amen, txseawater, I liked your post.

[BJ_BOBBI_JO]

In God's economy, there will be no need for fear.   

Whoohooo!! Say it again sister!

I like the way you stated that.

God's economy is the best. Of course God's everything is the best.

I think I will steal your term "God's economy" I like that. 

[ForeverGirl]

   OK, so I live in a small town in NE...relatively close, compared to other places, but still not as "safe" as could be. What are some practical things a young woman like myself can do to prepare for such a catastrophe?
 David was secure in his God's protection, but he did know how to defend himself too. I'm just a girl who doesn't know much. What can I do? I am trying to do all I can to stay healthy, but I wonder if there is something more? For some odd reason, I have a heavy burdon that I will be needed to help those around me after whatever that may be going to happen happens, like being a nurse or something. If a nuclear war is possible, cancer would be a huge issue for everyone here, I'm guessing. I feel like a small mouse in a house of animals who is the only one who "feels" that there is a tornado coming our way, and what am I to do to help the helpless survivors? The other day I cringed when I found an outdoor kitten was dying. I felt so weak and helpless, knowing that no matter what I'd do it was going to die anyway. What will it be like to see hundreds, if not thousands of people (and maybe myself) dying painfully? Oh my Lord and King, thank You for being my shield...guide me in Your perfect truth, and give me the strength from day to day, hour to hour, minute to minute. Show me Your way, keep me in Your powerful peace and joy...
   I have shared my concerns with my Dad, and he isn't too worried about it, so I just pray and release when it comes to making big decisions like moving or stacking up large amounts of goods. He wouldn't mind if I wanted to buy myself a tent or something along that nature though. I just don't know where to start, what is most important to concentrate on in the small stuff I can keep handy (like I can use it even if nothing ever happens in the future). Any ideas?

From the perspective of pre-apocalyptic poverty I can tell you that it's better to have a little food that is healthy and satisfying to your body's needs than a lot of food that is useless nutritionally. I have found that brown rice and black beans together can be eaten for months on end without becoming revolting to the palate. Also, sardines and tuna great sources of protein, fats, and salt, and will keep (in cans) for a very long time. Add some salsa in jars, some dried fruit and nuts, and you've got a really great diet that will keep for a long time.

Another thing you can do ahead of time is to look at maps of your area and find the nearest natural water sources (that can be accessed without electricity) and learn some practical water purification methods.

Learn to build a fire. Learn how to cook beans and rice over a fire.

Learn how to take care of your own medical needs and others as much as possible.

As BJ said, learn about all the plants in your area, which ones can you eat?

And as txseawater said, (in so many words) be righteous before God and He will preserve you. The Titus 2 passage that includes the list of things we women should learn/practice says toward the end of the teaching (to all):

Tts 2:12      Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

I was just looking at the word "righteous" today... check out these promises!

Gen 7:1      And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Job 4:7      Remember, I pray thee, who [ever] perished, being innocent? or where were the righteous cut off?

Psa 1:6      For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Psa 5:12      For thou, LORD, wilt bless the righteous; with favour wilt thou compass him as [with] a shield.

Psa 11:5      The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Psa 34:17      [The righteous] cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.

Psa 34:19      Many [are] the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.

Psa 58:10      The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.

Pro 10:3      The LORD will not suffer the soul of the righteous to famish: but he casteth away the substance of the wicked.

Pro 13:21      Evil pursueth sinners: but to the righteous good shall be repayed.

Pro 13:25      The righteous eateth to the satisfying of his soul: but the belly of the wicked shall want.

Pro 15:29      The LORD [is] far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous.

Rebekah

PS: Who knows what ark God may send your way?

[ForeverGirl]

I'm going to copy and paste some email portions that I wrote to a friend (who is moving here soon) over a year ago. Our discussions were about this area (the Continental Divide).

Yeah, we love it out here. Even though I was raised in Tennessee, and traveled all over the world, I can honestly say there's just something about the high desert that enthralls me. I think it's the wide open spaces, and being able to see for miles across the changing terrain of red rock canyons, aroyos, pine covered mountains, and sage brush plains. And oh, the aroma!

Anyway... it IS dry. It's not like tossing a seed in the backyard and then watching it turn into a beanstalk. You have to garden WITH the land out here. However, the Indians did garden; pumpkins, corn, beans, peppers, etc... successfully. There aren't many bugs or diseases to fight - just the dryness. Plants that like alkalinity do very well: broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage... My potatoes and beans are growing like crazy this year!

As far as ministry goes, my husband is actually gone right now to the Flea Market with friends. They set up a tent and a couple of tables and a sign that says "What Does the Bible Say About ________?" and answer Bible questions. They also give out Bibles and show people how to use a concordance and study. The Navajos seem to really appreciate the idea of just answering questions straight out of the Bible instead "white man religion." I usually go with the kids as well, and help sell jasmine tea, bottled kombucha, and watermelon slices.  We stay pretty busy, make a little bit of money, and talk to a lot of people.

... Right now though, the only internet out in the rural area would be satellite. Here in town we have DSL, but this town is NOT a great place to live. All the Indians that have an alcohol problem come to town to drink because it's illegal to drink on the Reservation.

The super adobe housing is something we'd like to try as well. It's really cheap, for one thing! The guy who is building the super adobe house (earth bag) spent 1K on the bags and the rest is just dirt and labor. He cut the trees off of his own land. Later he will stucco it inside and out for a smooth finish.  We also love adobe, which is mud brick, but oddly enough, it's the rich-people construction of choice.  Gabe helped his grandfather build a straw bale house which we lived in for two years. Straw bale is my personal favorite. It's very warm in the winter and cool in the summer and has a great cozy feeling inside.

>
What diff. size (acres) pieces of land are there? $?

In R_____, the area we are looking at, there are plots of land (no house) as small as 5-10 acres and as large as 480 acres. The prices per acre depend A LOT on how big the plot is. The smaller plots are going for 3-5 thousand per acre! Yikes. The larger plots (200 acres+) are going for around 1,500 an acre. The 480 acre plot we know of is expected to go for around 500 - 1000 an acre.

> Did you say there was water sources on/near the land? streams? wells?

Pretty much everyone out here has to dig a well. There is a lake in R____, but hardly any properties have year-around flowing springs. Some people also do rain collection. Wells are sometimes wind powered because we have a lot of wind on the plains.

> Who owns all the Forest Land that it is next to?

The Forest Land is National Forest. The Reservation land is "reserved" for the Indians, but they mostly live in town so the land is empty. I'm talking about thousands of acres. The National Forest land is about 8,000 feet altitude, and covered with ponderosa pine and pinon at the base. It is very populated with elk and deer.

> Is the wildlife protected (deer & elk)? What about the timber?

The wildlife on the National Forest can be hunted with a permit during hunting season. The same goes with private land. The timber on the National Forest land is protected, but private land is yours to do with what you will. There is a water rights suit by the Zuni tribe, wanting to limit the use of water on private land if it is runoff from the Zuni reservation. The owners we have talked to say that it will be years before the suit is settled, and if it is, the owners will still have to be allowed a reasonable amount of water use. Gabe knows more about that, if your husband wants to know anything in particular about the water rights issue.

> Who is selling the land?

Various people. Individuals.
>
> What is the weather like? Summer? Winter?

This is High Desert. Our altitude keeps it from getting very hot here. In the Summer it can be in the 90's for a month - during the day. But when the sun goes down, the temperature drops 40 degrees. In the winter it rarely gets below 0 - our coldest month the temperatures are usually in the teens at night, and up between 30 and 50 degrees during the day. We get a lot of snow compared to the Southern states, but not as much as Colorado.  Our rain fall in the plain is 9  inches a year, and in the mountains it is about 35 inches a year. R_____ is around 20 inches a year.

> Silly ?: do most around there (the Navajo's) speak english? just curious.

The younger ones speak English with a limited vocabulary and a funny accent. The old ones may not speak English, but will probably understand quite a bit. We also have a large Mexican population here. Some of them speak English, others don't. The Zuni's are the same - but not as many of them. We actually have a lot of Indian tribes around us: Navajo, Zuni, Acoma, Pueblo, Apache...

I came from the South. My family, as far back as we can trace is from TN and Georgia.  When I came West (Gabe is from here and I moved when we married) I expected to be really lonely and lost. I was pretty lonely the first year, but as I began to meet people I discovered the coolest thing: Everyone in the West is from somewhere else and moved here and stayed here because they are strangely independent and creative.
The people out here wouldn't fit in anywhere else. There are so many inventors, artists, herbalists, and wrinkled, brown, old geniuses camped out in the desert. The Indians are from here, but even they are curiously still pioneer-like in their way of life. When you drive down the road to Zuni, you still have to stop while a Navajo herds his sheep across the road, and slow down to avoid hitting the cattle that are grazing on the side of the road. You will see old Grandmas baking bread in a fired mud oven in the back yard, and they will still be dressed in their old traditional flowing skirts, velvet blouses with silver coin buttons, and heavy strands of turquoise from the mines. The cowboys in their spurs, jeans and hats still sit on the tailgates of the their trucks passing around a smoke from buddy to buddy while they wait for the women folk to sell their wool and hand woven rugs.

Town is more modern than Zuni and Window Rock (towns on the Rez) but it's still a cultural experience. Nobody really fits in a mold here. This makes it safe to homeschool, homebirth, home-doctor, and live the way you feel is right. Nobody cares. This is the wild west.

There actually aren't any homeschool laws other than you are supposed to send a letter to the state board of education and tell them that you are homeschooling "Johnny" and he is in first grade... Even that is not checked up on or pursued... never heard of anyone having any difficulty homeschooling. There are so many "hippy" type people in this area, people that take care of their own medical needs, schooling, etc... The state is pretty relaxed.

It isn't necessarily easy to live here - but the hardships are not related to bad people; just raw, untamed country.

So, you ready to come see it?

[ForeverGirl]

picts of the area

[ForeverGirl]

town

[hollyolly123]

Do you know about how long it takes to drive from the Nashville area to Northern New Mexico?  How are the nighttime temperatures in March?  Adam's ETS date got changed from June 2009 to April 9 (wooohoooo ), so we don't have many super warm months to chose from for a trip anywhere.

Thanks!

Beautiful pictures, by the way.

[ForeverGirl]

Do you know about how long it takes to drive from the Nashville area to Northern New Mexico?  How are the nighttime temperatures in March?  Adam's ETS date got changed from June 2009 to April 9 (wooohoooo ), so we don't have many super warm months to chose from for a trip anywhere.

Thanks!

Beautiful pictures, by the way.

YEEHAA for you! I'm so glad for you!

It still gets pretty cold at night in March. Down into the teens. It usually warms up into the 50's during the day  though.
It's about a 22-23 hour drive from Nashville. We do the drive in three days. 

Let us know if you head this way - we'll give you an official tour of the area!

Rebekah

[hollyolly123]

I'm hanging onto Psa. 34:19 now, thanks  Rebekah.   We had a hard night and morning.

[herbfever]

Forever Girl,

 Would you sharing what kind of wild edibles you have out there? Have dandelion and plantain, for example, made their presence known since it so dry?

Thanks so much!

[Gabriel Anast]

Yes, both Dandelion and Plantain grow like crazy out here. The Plantain I have I brought with me from TN as 1 small plant. It is taking over that corner of the yard now... I can't control it. I have also seen it growing in the nearby soccer field, so I know that it was here before I came. Dandelion is on the city's noxious weed list because it is so prevalent in yards.

All types of lettuce that I have planted out here will naturally seed and come back every year. As I said, plants that love alkaline soil do very well.  All types of Mint grow in abundance. There are several types of native Sage that grow wild...  Lavender... Rosemary... Thyme... Basil... Cilantro all grow well if tended to a bit. The Cilantro does especially well.

Other herbs I harvest in the wild every year include Oregon Graperoot (strong antibiotic), Mullien, Blue Flag(antibiotic), Yarrow, Cheeseweed/Mallow, Milk Thistle.

 Cattails grow in the area where we hope to buy land... they are nutritious.

Amaranth of several sorts grows in the wild here, I've never harvested it though. It is also on the noxious weed list. 

Peanuts are grown commercially here, South of us. Judging by how well my potatoes are doing, I believe I could grow peanuts myself. I'm going to try next year.

Apples and Cherries are also grown commercially here, about 2 hours north-east of us. There are also cherry and apple trees in town, so I suppose we could grow them as well... I'm not sure how they would react to the altitude in the rural area where we hope to move...

For all gardening here it is helpful to have a metal roof so that you can gather rain water for your garden...

You can find a book called Edible Medicinal Plants of the West by Tilford, which I use frequently when we go wild crafting.

Gotta go...

Rebekah
 
PS: I should add Chicory,  Evening Primrose,  and Pinon Pine nuts to the list of wild edibles we have...

[herbfever]

For the last several months I have been curious about the general southwest area. Thank you for taking the time to answer my question so thoroughly. It is really good to know that so many edibles are available and what the herb gardening is like.

Thanks again!!

[txseawater]

Anyone stopping along the way can surely stop off of I -10 or I-35 if  ( in the San Antonio area) for doing laundry, having a nice meal with friends, and a good night's sleep before getting back on the road. We would be so happy to have you! We'd even drive close by to meet you!  Just ask for our number from Anasts.      

[naturalgirl]

Somehow I missed Rebeckah's reply until today. I want to say thank you too!  And thanks to BJ and texseawater...    Now I have several good ideas as well as verses to memorize for comfort and cheer. 

[naturalgirl]

   I'm thinking that it might be best to find under water, if possible, because of the radiation problems. Radiation alse can affect plants because of the dust that falls on them from the blast. I have no idea if this will be a problem, but I'm thinking that studying edible roots and (ick, I know) bugs/ under animals wouldn't be a bad idea eather. Am I nuts or what?  Just some thoughts off the top of my hairy head 

[ForeverGirl]

There are some good books on dealing with nuclear fallout... it turns out that it is pretty easy to deal with, and that if handled with knowledge and care, is actually quite "handle-able." Being in the blast zone of either a regular nuke or a Neutron bomb, though... that is a problem best avoided.

--gabe

[naturalgirl]

   Blast zone...is that where there are 100 mile winds? Heat?  My sister found some dreadfully intresting    information online about how the blast is a really strong wind and heat that bakes everything in its' path. Is that what you are refering to? How far away from the "bulls eye" can the blast zone be? I've heard 1000 miles to 2-3000, but am not sure of what actual fact is.  In the US, the middle is 1300 miles.

[BJ_BOBBI_JO]

If I knew a big giant atom bom was heading my way I would run towards it with my arms waving in the air screaming " hit me! hit me!"   because I would much rather die fast and go to heaven then survive and have to endure the pain and sickness that would happen to the folks just outside of the direct bom hit. Slow death verses fast death. Hmmmmmmmm which would a person rather have?     "hit me! hit me! hit me!"

[SC lady]

If I knew a big giant atom bom was heading my way I would run towards it with my arms waving in the air screaming " hit me! hit me!"   because I would much rather die fast and go to heaven then survive and have to endure the pain and sickness that would happen to the folks just outside of the direct bom hit. Slow death verses fast death. Hmmmmmmmm which would a person rather have?     "hit me! hit me! hit me!"

BJ! You aren't foolin' me! I KNOW you're thinking about the ice cream in heaven . . . 
*snicker*   Just flowing with milk and honey!
You wouldn't be trying to ESCAPE anything! I can just see you running TOWARDS the blast site and trying to decide on what type of cone and which flavors to try first.
  ~~~ Kidding 

[BJ_BOBBI_JO]

LOL 

[Larry]

http://www.oism.org/nwss/  Nuclear War Survival Skills All you ever wanted to know about blast zone.

You all got me thinkin bout movin' 

[rainygladness]

Well I have read through this thread and still, I don't understand what the continental divide has to do with a national crisis.  Am I missing something?     

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