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[denim&lace]

Thanks Beka for posting this publicly.  Though I have taken the same stance that you described, I sometimes have this random and fleeting idea that maybe I've lost my marbles and I momentarily doubt that which I know to be true.  It's good to see that at least if I have lost my marbles that you have too... and I'm not all alone. 

[MrsHope]

Beka, thank you for your post.

I have a question as regards all this. I am scared too. But actually more after I read this. We don't live in a "safe" zone (western Washington), and my husband is an unbeliever. Mostly I am afraid for my children as well. I have really felt a pressing the last several months to get more serious about being the best helpmeet and mother I can be. Is it really all I can to do to just be these things? ("just"...ha) I mean, is there anything else I should be doing? Will God look out for us if my husband is an unbeliever? I am just in tears writing this because I have been so scared lately.

[ForeverGirl]

This'll be short... I've gotta run...

I have really felt a pressing the last several months to get more serious about being the best helpmeet and mother I can be. Is it really all I can to do to just be these things? ("just"...ha) I mean, is there anything else I should be doing? Will God look out for us if my husband is an unbeliever?

You mean like He looked after Esther, Abigail, and Naaman's maid? 

God is good. His hand is not shortened. Neither can you shorten it.

And yes, there is a lot you can do to prepare... check all of WTM, the rest of this thread, and Urbanexod.us.

Praying for you as well,

Rebekah

[MommaK]

Here is a thread about relocating... http://www.urbanexod.us/discuss/index.php/topic,23627.0.html

there is also a link to a map on there, and here it is again... http://www.7xsunday.net/fileadmin/maps/usmap-rectified-spline.png

I was looking at this map - but can't read all the  writing.

Can anyone tell what the notes are about the small yellow area jutting between the two larger blue areas in south carolina?
This is as much as I can tell:
This _____ will be ?protected? but _______ .

And what about the note just above it? Next to North Carolina. It begins with a P.

[ForeverGirl]

This doc has his complete explanation... I think his notes on the map come from this doc:

http://www.propheticwatchmanvine.com/Letters/WR/15AmericanInOneHour-3.doc

Here are some of his thoughts on the south in general:

http://www.propheticwatchmanvine.com/Letters/NWOS/5FiresAreComing.doc
http://www.propheticwatchmanvine.com/Letters/PVOfS/2AmericaFoundWanting.doc

My personal opinion is that the north section from Montana to Minnesota is far less "precarious."

--gabe

[MrsHope]

This'll be short... I've gotta run...

I have really felt a pressing the last several months to get more serious about being the best helpmeet and mother I can be. Is it really all I can to do to just be these things? ("just"...ha) I mean, is there anything else I should be doing? Will God look out for us if my husband is an unbeliever?

You mean like He looked after Esther, Abigail, and Naaman's maid? 

God is good. His hand is not shortened. Neither can you shorten it.

And yes, there is a lot you can do to prepare... check all of WTM, the rest of this thread, and Urbanexod.us.

Praying for you as well,

Rebekah

Thanks Rebekah,

I understand being prepared, but if this guy and his map are indeed true, then what good is being prepared if you live in a place that will be "wiped out" as we are? What happens to the believers in such an area?

Also, maybe I am just not seeing it on this thread, but I read this guy's web site. Is he supposed to be very credible, and how do you all know about him and come to believe him?

[ForeverGirl]

I'm going to answer your questions in backwards order...

Also, maybe I am just not seeing it on this thread, but I read this guy's web site. Is he supposed to be very credible, and how do you all know about him and come to believe him?

I'll cut and paste below a couple of posts from my blog. Someone there linked "the map" and asked us about it... we had not seen it before this... a few months ago. I think the reason Gabe linked it on urbanexod.us is because the map reflects the things that we have seen in our own dreams. We do not know Matthew Stephens personally and cannot tell you whether or not to believe him. You can ask God about it, though.
One thing that is in Stephen's favor... he's not making money off of his dreams/visions... not yet anyway. We would discount a hireling-prophet right off the bat.

Could you and or Gabe look at this, please. I have been reading the site from The Watchman Report. And here is the link to the specific page:
http://www.propheticwatchmanvine.com/watch18.htm

Here is his exact quote in question:
"George Bush will make some type of strike on Iran and Syria in the last year of Bush's term"

Okay, the above quote did not happen. So, how are we as Christians suppose to know the difference between a "direct utterance from God in sound or dream" or a "prophets own interpretation".
I know that Gabe had said sometimes they get themselves into trouble by explaining what they "think" will happen, but doesn't necessarily negate what God has said. So, how do you tell the difference between the two?

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This is a good question, and one that should be asked of every prophecy, dream, or vision. In this particular case, you simply have to look at his wording. On this page he says frequently "I see.... " as his source.

"I see the next president... "

as opposed to this page in which he explains his map and says of his source: "The Lord said..."

http://www.propheticwatchmanvine.com/newslet2.htm

Then the Lord said, "I am sending a coming Destruction on the land of America. Pick up a map and I will show you what must take place." As I looked at the map the Lord began to draw very detailed areas.

He does say "I see..." on the same site with "The Lord said..." without enough contrast IMO, and I can see how you might confuse the two... However, in reading his overall content I can tell when he is confident his message is from God, and when he is more comfortable with a vague "I see..." as though he were sitting at the dinner table and telling you what is coming to his mind as he thinks about current events.

Some people simply say "I saw in a vision" or "I dreamed"... which is what I try to do. I won't tell you that this is "a word from the Lord" unless the dream included a specific moment in which the Lord said something to me. At Gabe's strict instruction :-) I leave it up to the reader to decide whether or not the dream was from God. IMO, this is safer for me and you.

Everybody has opinions on current events. If you come to my house, you'll get an ear full of what we think will happen... what I think my dreams indicate... but I try to leave all of those thoughts out of the content on this blog because some of my thoughts, if not all, are bound to be wrong. ;-P

Regarding Matthew Stephens, I will say again that I believe his map is a true prophecy from God. It corresponds with everything I have also dreamed about various places. There were a few things about the map that surprised me... safety found in states I didn't expect to see it in... but I don't doubt that it's true.

[this is Gabe; Bek's got the flu and is under several layers on the couch]
When one of my little children is taking a nap and we need to go somewhere, or eat, or whatever... I wake them slowly so that they wake on their own. They are almost always in a better mood this way than if I just jostle them awake; they awaken more fully and things are generally better for all involved. lol.

So... this dream blog has been up for several years now, and there are a lot of dreams listed here. As they have come, they have been a sort of puzzle... all the individual parts making up a whole picture. You may not see this picture like we do. I am not sure I can say anything more than what has been presented here but, read through them and pray about them, and see what picture they propose to you.

There are a couple simple things I will say:

1) By faith we please God. Do nothing that is not of faith... yes it takes *a lot* of work in putting away old habits and persistence in holding on to God to get to this place.
2) All the mess in my dreams has been approximately east of Omaha and on the west coast (but not exclusively).
3) All the escape and safety has been "in the mountains." We personally feel led to Northern NM / Southern CO.

Then a couple things that will take a little work on your part:

Take time to read the history of a war... any war. Pay attention to why the war started (hint: the two official reasons--one for each side--are usually not accurate), and who / where the dead were and who / where the survivors were... <whisper>...wake up, its time to go...</whisper>

Look at the news of the last year or so... try to get international news... ask yourself why you never heard of the European Central Bank bailout that happened a year ahead of our bailout(s), and was twice as big... and what its effects were / are... <whisper> ...hey you sleepy head, wake up now... </whisper>

Look at where / how you live in light of a possible disaster of a sort that the US government cannot send you aid of any kind... <whisper> ...hey... lol... hey... wake up now...</whisper>

--gabe

Now your other question:

I understand being prepared, but if this guy and his map are indeed true, then what good is being prepared if you live in a place that will be "wiped out" as we are? What happens to the believers in such an area?

I might sound like I'm repeating myself, but really I'm just repeating myself... lol.
What do you think a map of Noah's flood would have looked like? Pretty hopeless for life in any form to survive, I think... yet God made a way for eight souls.
Israel was told they would be taken into captivity, and they were. Yet, in captivity God blessed the righteous who lived by faith... even when they stood in a burning furnace, or faced a law that gave their enemies right to slaughter them all.

Your question should rather be, "what good is it to be righteous, if it is prophecied that judgment is coming?"
Much good. All good. Every possible escape will be predicated on righteousness and faith.

Calvinism may have taught you that God is bound to harm you and you are bound to suffer. Hogwash. Put away unbelief and read the Bible... [er, IMO...  ] I recommend that you read Hebrews 11, and then look up every story it references and read those as well... by the time you're done (and if you believe what you read) you'll have a pretty accurate expectation of God.

I think I can safely guarantee you that we will fail you... Stephens will fail you... your own preparations will fail you. God will not. Find HIM... believe HIM. He will not fail you. 

Hope that helps,

Beka

[denim&lace]

Mrs. Hope,
 
My kids asked me a similar question recently and I told them this... 

If it is God's will that we live through a disaster in our area there are many things that He can do to save us.  It could be that he sends my husband out of town to work in a safe area when the disaster is set to happen, and that we will go with him as we have done in the past.  He could have us visiting out of state.  He could cause Daddy to declare it a road trip day and we will be out of harms way...  Or like he did with Noah, he could have us prepared and capable of surviving right where we sit...  or like with Daniel in the lion pit, He could put a force field of sorts around us and miraculously save us...  Any way you look at it, if it be God's will, we will be saved.

And as my one son pointed out, if we live, we win... but if we die, we will be with Jesus and... WE WIN!  When your trust is in the Lord, you are always in a win-win situation, even if you can't see it from the ground. (personally, I prefer to survive and see my grandchildren grow to adulthood, but the little guy had a great point IMO.)

 

[snowflake]

Here is a thread about relocating... http://www.urbanexod.us/discuss/index.php/topic,23627.0.html

there is also a link to a map on there, and here it is again... http://www.7xsunday.net/fileadmin/maps/usmap-rectified-spline.png

I was looking at this map - but can't read all the  writing.

Can anyone tell what the notes are about the small yellow area jutting between the two larger blue areas in south carolina?
This is as much as I can tell:
This _____ will be ?protected? but _______ .

And what about the note just above it? Next to North Carolina. It begins with a P.

MommaK,
   I think the phrase is "This area will be protected but shaken".   
The second note... I can't tell what the first part says, but the second half looks like "but Raleigh will be hit to warn people".   
That is how it looks to me....    

[andiclare]

Here is a thread about relocating... http://www.urbanexod.us/discuss/index.php/topic,23627.0.html

there is also a link to a map on there, and here it is again... http://www.7xsunday.net/fileadmin/maps/usmap-rectified-spline.png

I was looking at this map - but can't read all the  writing.

Can anyone tell what the notes are about the small yellow area jutting between the two larger blue areas in south carolina?
This is as much as I can tell:
This _____ will be ?protected? but _______ .

And what about the note just above it? Next to North Carolina. It begins with a P.

MommaK,
   I think the phrase is "This area will be protected but shaken".   
The second note... I can't tell what the first part says, but the second half looks like "but Raleigh will be hit to warn people".   
That is how it looks to me....    

Re: the Matthew Stephens map and prophesy...Aside from his prophesies lining up with some of the dreams yall have had yourselves, is there any other concrete reason why you believe in his catastrophic scenerio for the US? I only ask because it seems that there are so many different prophesies about the end times out there, so it's confusing for me. I'm trying to be prudent, and wondering what gives this man in particular any prophetic authority.

BTW I've told my fiance about all this and how Gabe recommended in another thread that we relocate to the NM mountains after we're married. (I'm from NM originally and I miss it so it's not like my arm needs to be twisted...) My fiance said to tell yall that he'll "think about it." 

[BJ_BOBBI_JO]

Re: the Matthew Stephens map and prophesy...Aside from his prophesies lining up with some of the dreams yall have had yourselves, is there any other concrete reason why you believe in his catastrophic scenerio for the US? I only ask because it seems that there are so many different prophesies about the end times out there, so it's confusing for me. I'm trying to be prudent, and wondering what gives this man in particular any prophetic authority.

Im glad you ask because I also have wondered that. I have been a very lucid vivid dreamer all of my life with dreams that have very often come true or warn me of things and teach me stuff and if I were to souly go off my dreams to make choices in life then I would not want to live in the western states at all. Im in Indiana so NM is western to me. In most of my dreams of the future there is no more western states or if there is they are totally under seize and living in total annailation and distruction with very few ppl living. The west seems dark and bleek and I cant see it in my dreams. And the very few who do live in the west and manage to survive come to the east sick, injured, weak and dying with no kids, old ppl or handicapped ppl left. The eastern states dont seem much better but they seem to at least be some better. The middle states having troubles as well but with more hope and ability to hide and survive. The kids, old ppl and handicapped are mostly all gone because they are too weak and cant defend themselves or be productive enough to be used or flee mostly.

I heave heard both Christian and non-Christian scientist, phrofacy and other ppl say that the western states will be either wiped out with earthquakes or major floods and that the middle states will then become coastal states.

Now I have no idea if all that is true  and I dont souly make choices upon my dreams. Instead I hope I can allow God to direct my husband and I. And if that be via dreams then so be it. And if that means us moving to flee then so be it even tho I would utterly hate it and if that be for us to stay and survive then so be it. I just hope I will keep faith and trust in God to allow Him to guide us correctly. And I hope to not be paranoid and make major wallet altering choices by up and moving around for no to little reason at this time all out of fear for what may or may not happen.  Fear. Fear, it aint good to live in fear.

But that is just us. What may be right for us may not be right for another. Do what ya can and let God lead yall into what He thinks you should do not what others think yall should do.

Live and enjoy the life God has given you while you have it. Work and save and live. Prepare but dont let it steal your joy and wallets. Live!

Live but dont fear!

[ForeverGirl]

why you believe in his catastrophic scenerio for the US? ...

wondering what gives this man in particular any prophetic authority.

Hi andiclare...

Stephens is just one source that we came across and found interestingly similar to our own expectations - not the same... just similar in general regarding his map. As far as I know, we have not commented on anything else he says in the way of recommending or seconding it. He might be right, he might not be... we have no idea and will continue to pray about these things.

Regarding "prophetic authority"... do you mean is there some way that we know if this fellow is a false teacher or a teacher of truth? We can only know him as much as the internet allows.
You could look at the "False Teachers" thread to know what characteristics to look for. I believe there are some that begin as "true" and end up as "false"... and it is important to date their prophecies for this reason.
As much as we can know him, Stephens seems to be a true teacher... but we are not recommending that anyone follow him or blindly believe the things he says. We believe that everything should be compared to the Word of God and committed to God in prayer.

Most of our expectations come from Gabe's study of the House of Joseph prophecy. This is still a work in progress. Gabe has a had a lot of health issues lately that are keeping him down and unable to work on that study. Prayer for him would be appreciated. This study is enormous, and is covers the entire Bible. It is the work of a lifetime.

Secondly, our expectations come from history repeating itself... the areas that survive war and the areas that don't. The many maps that show us the population densities, cities, gangs, pesticides, Gov. facilities, wealth density, etc... the natural catastrophes that have happened in the past and the areas that were affected... wars of the past and the areas where the battles took place. There are many, many factors to take into consideration.

We also believe the west... west of NM will be largely destroyed. There are not many people living out here now... much less afterward!

Glad to hear you miss NM. I love it here.

There are lots of "safe areas" though... even if you don't live in one, you might be within a day's drive of a safe area. A well-planned "camping trip" may be all you need.  

love,
Rebekah

[CKSMOM]

Rebekah,

You have a blog?  Would love to read it, how do I get there?

[ForeverGirl]

LOL, you might love to read it, you might not...: www.dreaming-awake.com

[veggie]

I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this.....  But I just came across this news piece this evening about a movie that will be coming out this fall about the year 2012.  Please note that I am in no way endorsing or recommending this film.  I just thought some of you might be interested.....  http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/2012-roland-emmerich.html

Most of our expectations come from Gabe's study of the House of Joseph prophecy. This is still a work in progress. Gabe has a had a lot of health issues lately that are keeping him down and unable to work on that study. Prayer for him would be appreciated. This study is enormous, and is covers the entire Bible. It is the work of a lifetime.

So sorry to hear this about Gabe!  I hope he will soon bounce back!  Thank you both for everything you do to make this forum possible!

[CKSMOM]

Oh, OK, Dreaming awake is your blog.  I already know how to get there ,..it's bookmarked on my computer .  Love it.

[BJ_BOBBI_JO]

We also believe the west... west of NM will be largely destroyed. There are not many people living out here now... much less afterward!

 That's interresting that you also feel that way about the west. I have noticed the same or simliar feelings from others as well. When I have had dreams of the west no longer being there or being a bad place to be I dont know just what the west is. Meaning I dont know where the cut off line is for the west for sure, like what states are considered the west?  I just know that my own location is still there and still has some hope.

In my awake mind I think of the west as any state beyond the states bordering my own state such as Iowa, MS, and past those.  But that is just my awake mind pondering and nothing from a phrophetic dream or vision.

This diabolical occurance, whatever it may be,  may not come in my life time. I dont know and I dont allow it to control me but I do wonder if it might be in my life time because of the way I am activily in the dreams. But perhaps not, perhaps they are meant for me to learn from and teach my kids of what will happen in their life time so they can be ready. I dunno. I just live for now. I just know the dreams are so real that I almost feel as if I have sort of already been threw a major tramic event  and can kind of understand the termoil ppl in war toren countries currently have.

Many ppl, including our fellow Christians, mock and throw dreams by the way side. And yes many dreams are just silly stuff that have no meaning but not all. But the folks who do shove dreams by the way side do not understand because they do not truely have dreams with real meaning and real messages from God since everyone has their own gift just as my gift is not preaching, singing, teaching and speaking in tongues like some have.

And yes I know some ppl take dreams to an extreme and make them into some kind of nut case guru ungodly psychic thing. But what ppl need to understand is that that is not the case for every person who has real vivid lucid dreams like you would appear to have Rebeka and even tho I dont personally know you I believe you understand and know that for yourself already. I dont to often tell those folks offline my dreams in detail because for one they cant handle it. Secondly they just po po them and dont get it. And thirdly because ppl are just to blind to get it anyways so I dont bother because a person dont normally get a dream that is only meant for me to understand anyways.

But there for sure seems to be something 'big' and 'bad' happening in the not so far off future. And even tho none of us can know 100% what it will be and what it will do we can still know 'it' is coming. Hopefully the not so far off future is not in my life time but I fear it will be.

I just long for Jesus to come now. Come Lord and come fast! Heaven will be so wonderful I just know it and feel it. Come Lord fast!

[andiclare]

Regarding "prophetic authority"... do you mean is there some way that we know if this fellow is a false teacher or a teacher of truth?

Yeah that's what I meant. Ty, you answered the question for me. 

Most of our expectations come from Gabe's study of the House of Joseph prophecy. This is still a work in progress. Gabe has a had a lot of health issues lately that are keeping him down and unable to work on that study. Prayer for him would be appreciated. This study is enormous, and is covers the entire Bible. It is the work of a lifetime.

I've prayed for this intention...will continue to pray whenever I think of it.

[ktwitch]

Dear Deb, (this is Beka... and Gabe in the background...  )

LOL, we've been looking at boreal forests for a good portion of our day... wow, so beautiful! Gabe says "not sure about the bungi cord thing... but yes, totally these forests are in every safe zone we've ever seen... " Yes, even better than New Mexico... including pesticides, catastrophes, etc... http://www.marietta.edu/~biol/biomes/boreal.htm
According to this satelite map
http://www.borealforest.org/index.php?category=world_boreal_forest&page=overview
northern Minnesotta and maybe the north eastern corner of North Dakota are boreal forests. I'm guessing that in order to live here, you'd have to learn how to garden fast and furiously in the three month growing period, and learn to forage and hunt in the winter.

I'm new to all this - not sure how to end a quote and start a post!  While the invitation to "move west" is nice, I already live in the mountains - the mountains of Maine.  Not sure if we quite qualify as "boreal", but definitely conifer forests...  Yes, it is beautiful.  Yes, we grow like crazy for 3 months! But  Eliot Coleman has been writing books about extending our growing season significantly.  Would apply to many in this latitude, across the country.

I have to say I felt better seeing us on some of the "safe" zones discussed here.  We are definitely called by God to our little community and the little church where my husband volunteers as teacher.  Not called to move west, but perhaps God will preserve some of us in the east too...

[Texas Girl.]

Is it just me.....I can't open any of the links to Matthew Stephen's website, either through 7xsunday or his own website.  Any ideas? 

[Gabriel Anast]

His new site is nearly impossible to use... the best way (at the moment) to search his site is like this:

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awww.propheticwatchmanvine.com

This will give you a google list of all the pages of his site... new and old...

The old pages tend to have numbers in the link names...

Click on the page, and if it doesn't exist, go back to the google search list and click the "cached" link next to the page you want to see.

--gabe

[Joyfulmomto9]

I have been so disturbed in my spirit for the past week like never before.    I who have never ever been able to "fast" have been fasting off and on for the past week and praying, praying, praying.

I cannot shake the feelings of being afraid of being in the U.S. right now.  I cannot claim that I have had dreams but a feeling in my Spirit that I have had from the Lord for about seven years now that has steadily increased and gotten very urgent recently.  My DH is worried about me and praying and also fasting that God would show him what to do with our family/ministry.  I keep asking God to take the burden off of me and to put it on dh so there would be no danger of me swaying him (although that is pretty stinkin' hard to do!)

We have been reading all Steven's website and also alot of Beka's dreams only since last night (although we have looked at them from time to time in the past).

I think God is telling is to leave the country (for many reasons) but one because of a coming time of rain.  Where we would go there are a fair amount of Chinese rebuilding the infrastructure of that country.  Anyone have any dreams or thoughts about living abroad at the time of this "rain" or whatever you want to call it. 

I know I have to ask God and only rely on Him for answers but I am curious if anyone has any thoughts as to what would happen to Americans living in third (almost fourth world) countries at a time of invasion by other countries? 


 

[ForeverGirl]

Hi, Johfulmomto9!

I have been so disturbed in my spirit for the past week like never before.    I who have never ever been able to "fast" have been fasting off and on for the past week and praying, praying, praying.

I cannot shake the feelings of being afraid of being in the U.S. right now.  I cannot claim that I have had dreams but a feeling in my Spirit that I have had from the Lord for about seven years now that has steadily increased and gotten very urgent recently.  My DH is worried about me and praying and also fasting that God would show him what to do with our family/ministry.  I keep asking God to take the burden off of me and to put it on dh so there would be no danger of me swaying him (although that is pretty stinkin' hard to do!)

I've learned that it's all right for me to be the one that dreams as long as I can let go of what I believe they are saying and trust God to lead my husband, using the dreams or not. I remember how God first told Mary that she was going to have a son by the Holy Spirit... she told Joseph faithfully, but did not (according to the record) try to convince him or plead with him. When Joseph thought to put her away, God spoke to him in a dream as well, confirming Mary's earlier story. So, I know that if it is God's intent to move our family a certain way that He can, and will, plainly tell my husband as well. I think He gives me the dreams so that I can learn to "give" them to my husband, and let go.

Anyway, I hope that helps to ease your mind about it. God has a reason for giving you the "feelings" you are having, if they are from Him. Just learn to "give" them to your husband and then let go of them... again and again.

We have been reading all Steven's website and also alot of Beka's dreams only since last night (although we have looked at them from time to time in the past).

I think God is telling is to leave the country (for many reasons) but one because of a coming time of rain.  Where we would go there are a fair amount of Chinese rebuilding the infrastructure of that country.  Anyone have any dreams or thoughts about living abroad at the time of this "rain" or whatever you want to call it. 

I've had a couple foreign land dreams... Mexico, South East Asia, and the Middle East. I don't know if I listed all of them publicly due to some political statements made (that are a little touchy) within the dreams.

I saw dire famine and mob/gang violence in Mexico City, Round-up and murder of foreigners in SE Asia, and heavy flooding and rains on the Middle East coast, and possibly a major earthquake.   

I know I have to ask God and only rely on Him for answers but I am curious if anyone has any thoughts as to what would happen to Americans living in third (almost fourth world) countries at a time of invasion by other countries? 

Our "thoughts" and opinions on this matter would be to restate that we think the rural Continental Divide is one of the safest places in the world to move. However, if God specifically leads your husband to leave the country, then be sure that God knows what He's doing!

In a general sense, no matter where you settle there are a few practical guidelines that we would recommend following in any country:

1) Find a rural mountainous area away from civilization that will be hard to access once the roads are no longer kept up.

2) Don't congregate too closely with others... i.e.: communes.

3) Be as self-sufficient as possible regarding food collection (farming, wild-crafting, hunting, etc...)

4) Have a good water source that is not electricity dependent.

5) Learn to care for your family's medical needs.

6) Try to find an area that isn't already in a natural disaster zone (earthquakes, volcanoes, floods)

7) Don't be a target. i.e.: live poor, speak the local language.

(Don't be the rich man with everything when everyone around you is going hungry or fighting over money.  Let your knowledge and your skill (and some rudimentary tools) be your wealth.)

Beka (and Gabe)

[Joyfulmomto9]

Thank you, thank you for your response.  You are right Rebekah I feel like it is okay to tell dh too.  I remembered last night about Pilate's wife having the dream not to have anything to do with Jesus and she told it to her husband. 

Do you guys think this will be world wide or just God judging the U.S.?  I know that on some scale it will be world wide probably economy wise and maybe more than that but do you feel that most of the destruction on a massive scale would be to the U.S.? 

Although if this is the Great Tribulation we are talking about that will surely be world wide.

Living in the Minnesotan bolean forest may be doable for us.  I am rambling now...

[veggie]

I watched the movie Defiance a couple of weeks ago and one thought that kept going through my mind was that I would not want to be congregating in a large group as did the Jewish people in the movie.   So the idea of not congregating in communes makes sense to me.  Having said that I do have a question for those of you who plan on or are already living in the wilderness.  What, if any, provision is made for your children to have friends and potential future mates?  I understand that keeping the children's interests turned toward home during their early years is a common ( 
and desired) theme on this forum, but what about older children who are nearing marriageable age?  Will they be happy through their teen years not having other companions beyond family, especially if you are a small family with only 2-3 children?   Or do you envision this time of severity coming so soon and being over and done with so quickly that this would not even be a consideration?

[ForeverGirl]

An ant hill is very target-able. Its like the number one pastime of boys in the desert: ant hill destruction.

Prairie Dogs are way harder to target. It takes an older boy who is skilled with a rifle an entire day to clear a field of Prairie Dogs.

Hyrax are impossible to eradicate except by poisoning (usually gassing... but they are on the endangered species list, so I guess that doesn't happen too often any more).

They still have a "community" just not one that is easily target-able... in any case it doesn't look like a community.

--gabe

PS: Way too soon.

[MrsHope]

I don't know if I'm supposed to ask this, but....does anyone have as guess as to when all this stuff will happen? This year? Two years? Five? Anyone?

[denim&lace]

http://www.7xsunday.net/forum/index.php/topic,19487.msg224995.html#msg224995

I think your answer is kind of answered via riddle in this post by Gabe...

[andiclare]

Ok well if anyone needs any more convincing to try and make it out to New Mexico, take a look at this sunset:



This is my wallpaper on my phone. Reminds me of home, and where I hope to move back to one day. 

[ridgerunner]

What sunset?  LOL!  Don't think your pic posted Andiclare... 

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