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[ps100vs5]

I have a question about people who claim to hear God speaking to them.

I know several people and a few churches that have been destroyed by those who said the 'Lord told me that ...'

How can you challenge someone who says they have heard from God?  Especially when it isn't a theological issue (for instance God told them not to have this person be a deacon)?

Personally, I don't really hear God 'speak' in a sense that it seems many people claim to hear Him.  When I think of a former classmate from elementary school, I feel like God just put them on my heart and that I should start praying for them.   When I am dealing with an issue spiritually, in my marriage, parenting, etc. it seems as though the sunday sermon, a worship song, conversation with hubby or a friend, etc. all seems to apply to that situation and so I feel that is how God is speaking to me. 

Should I be hearing a more 'audible' call?

I guess I just get confused when a person claiming God spoke to them causes so much hurt and damage.  But also even a more mundane situation of someone  calling and saying  "God told me to call you".

Ok, um, did He tell you why?? 

I feel as though getting a credible word from God Almighty is a HUGE thing and yet so many people seem to just throw "God told me..." around like they're  stating we're having cheerios for breakfast.

Or is this because I should be hearing from God more in my daily walk??
Anyway, any thoughts/scriptures, etc. would be appreciated.

I’d be suspicious of any one who says, “God told me….”

The last time I saw this happen was when a pastor was trying to appear spiritual and legitimize something he heard through the grapevine.

[jessyru]

I have had God impress something on my heart but it is generally for me and I know it. Usually it's a correction to me. I remember once I was having trouble at work and was about to give my two weeks notice and tell my boss that she could not treat her employees like she did and I heard so very clearly the word 'Stay'--it wasn't really audible, but it that word was very clear in my head. I still remember it and know that word was from God. Also sometimes if I am discouraged or struggling I will sometimes very clearly feel impressed in my heart something from God. They are usually sweet, nice words from Him. Sometimes I have something on my heart about another person but it's usually an impression or a sense of that person needing something. I don't normally tell them that I felt God told me to call or do something... I usually just do it.

[BJ_BOBBI_JO]

I have never heard God speak to me audibly that I know of other then some very strong thoughts that came to my mind. But I used to know a very Godly old lady who claimed that 1 time she heard God speak to her audibly saying just 1 word. I dont remember what the word was but it was something like pray. 

[Mrs. Davis]

Sometimes I will feel impressed to pray for someone only to find they really did need prayer.  I have known things or dreamed of things that came true.  I also believe this was for prayer and nothing more.  Sometimes I will feel led to share certain scriptures with someone and I believe that it is really God who wants them to hear that particular scripture as they are often truly helped by it. 

I did have a best friend who claimed God told her things.  She would then proceed to tell me what she "knew".  It amounted to nothing more than gossip and slander about things that we didn't even know if were true.  I confronted her about it and she basically told me I didn't understand because I am not spiritual enough.   I had to end that friendship as it wasn't good and I really believed she was following "another doctrine".    Her behavior also split a church. 

We really need to be careful when someone says they hear God.  We also need to be careful when we claim to hear Him.  When representing Him, we really need to bring Him glory. 

[MommyChurch]

 I wonder about this too. Especially when so many people say the "Love" Jesus, and you can tell that they really do, but go against what the Bible says. Like I know a lady, that *truely* loves Jesus. She talks about him with a glow on her face, yet she is a woman "pastor" she sees visions, etc. She claims that God speaks to her through his word even if it just a phrase, but that phrase is taken totally out of context. For instance she says when she prays that the Lord impresses something on her heart. Then she will read her Bible. It could have something to do with Israel in the total context, but one phrase is what God told to her in prayer, so she says God confirmed it.
   I don't know what to think about that. I have had someone tell me that they don't listen to any "still" quiet voices, because he knows so many people that have messed up their lives by following that still quiet voice. He only goes on the Word of God. Only.
    This same man says that when his Mother in Law's husband died, he had left her enough money to live on the rest of her life. She now works at Wal-Mart standing on her bad legs all day as a greeter, trying to make enough money to make bills, because "God" told her to give away all of her money to the church, even though the Bible says, : But woe unto you,  scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."
  I believe his mother in law was presured into "tithing" and giving faith promises rather then giving out of her heart. 
 He says that is mother in law lives by her emotions, and thinks she hears God tell her all of this.  I really don't know what to think about this. Many times I only hear scripture when I believe that God is speaking to me.  I remember one time I was in labor with my last baby, and we had no insurance, and I was in alot of pain. I really wanted to go to the hospital and have an epidural. My husband was being kind of aloof to my pain, and this sort of irked me. I asked God for some encouragment. "Right after I prayed that, I noticed the cup that I got to put my water in. It had a Bible verse on it, and it was the verse that said, I can do all things through Christ which strengtheth me. It was like God was telling me that I would not be going to the hopital because He was going to give me the strength to get through this birth. That encouraged me, because I knew the Lord was there, but it also made me mad, because I knew that I was going to have to feel the pain!   I did not go to the hospital even though it was tough. So I feel safe to say that was God's way of encouraging me.  Other moments have happened like that. Once I was praying about something that someone was twisting in the Bible. I asked God where in the Bible did it say that? Right then a verse flashed through my mind that I did not know where the reference was, and it totally contradicted what that person was telling me. I had not memorized that verse, nor had I read it often. But nevertheless it was in the Bible Word for Word of what I heard in my mind.
 

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[Larry]

What a good topic!

I hope to contribute more but for now please consider

Rom 12:1 ¶ I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service
Rom 12:2  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

I will post a word study on "Blaspheme" when time permits. Blaspheme, in my opinion, is saying that God did something he didn't or saying God didn't say   or do something that he did.... I will expound on that tonight if I have time.




Noah Webster
BLAS'PHEMY, n. An indignity offered to God by words or writing; reproachful, contemptuous or irreverent words uttered impiously against Jehovah.
Blasphemy is an injury offered to God, by denying that which is due and belonging to him, or attributing to him that which is not agreeable to his nature.
In the middle ages, blasphemy was used to denote simply the blaming or condemning of a person or thing. Among the Greeks, to blaspheme was to use words of ill omen, which they were careful to avoid.
1. That which derogates from the prerogatives of God. Mark 2.




BLASPHE'ME, v.t. [Gr. The first syllable is the same as in blame, blasme, denoting injury; L. loedo, loesus; The last syllable is the Gr.,to speak.]
1. To speak of the Supreme Being in terms of impious irreverence; to revile or speak reproachfully of God, or the Holy Spirit. 1 Kings 21. Mark 3.
2. To speak evil of; to utter abuse or calumny against; to speak reproachfully of.
BLASPHE'ME, v.i. To utter blasphemy.
He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven. Mark 3.
1. To arrogate the prerogatives of God.
This man blasphemeth. Who can forgive sins but God? Math.9. Mark 2.

Mark  3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

I have heard the above verse quoted to intimidate anyone who would speak out against something a particular church/preacher was doing and thought to my self "Thine own mouth condemneth thee, and not I: yea, thine own lips testify against thee."

[BJ_BOBBI_JO]

Since I last posted on this thread I had an 'experience'.

It was a while back in the middle of the night when I very distinctly heard  something like "Get up your sugar is low!"

It freaked me out. It was real not a dream. It was real. It was a voice of authority and very distinct and clear.

It caused me to suddenly sit straight up from the bed. I did not sit there and po po it and try to ponder if it was a dream or whatever, I knew in my soul it was God and I had best listen to it. It was not vague and confusing. It was so clear. It was so loud and real.

It was a good thing I listened because I some how made it to my blood sugar tester and found out my sugar was real low and I was starting to crash. ( don't remember the number). I ate something right away.

I believe if I had stayed in bed and  not listened then I would have died of a low blood sugar.

[khix]

BJ, that is amazing!

But, your experience has now brought a question to my mind.

I am now wondering if having low blood sugar can either:
a) cause people to hallucinate - they hear/see things that are not really there
b) somehow help people be more spiritually "aware" or "in tune" (like especially during/after a fast....wouldn't blood sugar be low during/after a fast?)

The reason I ask about this is because someone close to me had a somewhat similar experience, and now that I think about it, I believe their blood sugar may have been low at the time.  I don't question this person's or BJ's (or anyone else's) experience, I do believe they actually happened, I'm just wondering if there is any correlation with low blood sugar.

[BJ_BOBBI_JO]

I am now wondering if having low blood sugar can either:
a) cause people to hallucinate - they hear/see things that are not really there

Yep low blood sugars can cause hallucinations. It don't happen that often but it can. And that is something to consider.

Although in this particular case I knew and still know in my soul it was God. That authority strong voice. It woke me from a deep sleep and made me instantly sit straight up. I cant explain it.

 It was almost as if my spirit knew it was God some how. I don't understand all that stuff but I know it was like nothing I have ever known before. I could have let my brain sort it out and try to reason it out  and then fell over passed out  and into death or I could get up like the voice said to do. I did what the voice said to do and lived.

I know of a 20 year old diabetic boy who recently died in his sleep from a low blood sugar. That could have been me.

[khix]

I am now wondering if having low blood sugar can either:
a) cause people to hallucinate - they hear/see things that are not really there

Yep low blood sugars can cause hallucinations. It don't happen that often but it can. And that is something to consider.

Although in this particular case I knew and still know in my soul it was God. That authority strong voice. It woke me from a deep sleep and made me instantly sit straight up. I cant explain it.

 It was almost as if my spirit knew it was God some how. I don't understand all that stuff but I know it was like nothing I have ever known before. I could have let my brain sort it out and try to reason it out  and then fell over passed out  and into death or I could get up like the voice said to do. I did what the voice said to do and lived.

I know of a 20 year old diabetic boy who recently died in his sleep from a low blood sugar. That could have been me.

Oh, I know it was God - no doubt.  I'm not disputing you.  It's just that you mentioned your blood sugar was low, and this other person I was talking about hadn't eaten for a few days, so I'm pretty sure their blood sugar was low too when they heard God's voice....audibly.  This person was praying about something, then they heard God tell them to do something, and this person got up & did it, and it was an answer to the prayer.  So, it was definitely God!   But, still, I wonder if low blood sugar (or anything else physical) had anything to do with hearing God audibly?

(I should also note that this person was not fasting for spiritual purposes.  They were simply not eating because they were very upset about something.)

[denim&lace]

Oh, I know it was God - no doubt.  I'm not disputing you.  It's just that you mentioned your blood sugar was low, and this other person I was talking about hadn't eaten for a few days, so I'm pretty sure their blood sugar was low too when they heard God's voice....audibly.  This person was praying about something, then they heard God tell them to do something, and this person got up & did it, and it was an answer to the prayer.  So, it was definitely God!   But, still, I wonder if low blood sugar (or anything else physical) had anything to do with hearing God audibly?

*snicker*  It just seems funny to me to think that those of us who are glucose challenged have a special connection.   

Oh, I might as well post my "experience" then....

Seven years ago my MIL was trying to destroy my marriage.  My husband worked for her and she decided after I refused to do something immoral and illegal that she asked of me that I was a bad match for her son.   

So she started sending him out on the road... with other women... and refused to pay for two hotel rooms. (so much more to the story but you can kind of get the idea of things from that...)   

In the midst of all of this I was driving alone one day, praying, and I heard or felt or.... something... "Your marriage is healed."   In a very authoritative voice as BJ said.  I don't know if somebody else had been there if they would have heard it... it was that kind of real but I question if it was out loud or in my head... I really can't tell you.  But also like BJ, I knew in my soul the source of that statement.       

Last year I stood on that statement in prayer many times.  It was exactly seven years ago this past April.  I can honestly say today that our marriage is better now than it has ever been...  and getting better all the time!

     

[khix]

Oh, I know it was God - no doubt.  I'm not disputing you.  It's just that you mentioned your blood sugar was low, and this other person I was talking about hadn't eaten for a few days, so I'm pretty sure their blood sugar was low too when they heard God's voice....audibly.  This person was praying about something, then they heard God tell them to do something, and this person got up & did it, and it was an answer to the prayer.  So, it was definitely God!   But, still, I wonder if low blood sugar (or anything else physical) had anything to do with hearing God audibly?

*snicker*  It just seems funny to me to think that those of us who are glucose challenged have a special connection.   

LOL, I know it does seem funny to think there's a connection between low blood sugar & hearing God's voice. 

But, what about fasting?  Does that give someone low blood sugar?  If so, maybe there IS a connection?  Maybe all the sugar/toxins/etc swirling around in our body not only harms us physically, but also spiritually? 

[AndysDad]

I'm not opposed to people hearing from God, but it sends major flags up when someone is "so good at it" that they don't see any need to even read the Bible any more, and recommend that you do the same.

As far as low blood sugar is concerned, a man was recently pulled out of his pickup, wrestled to the ground, and tasered because he was in diabetic shock and the policemen assumed he was DUI when he didn't respond to their authoritative commands (well punctuated by the word, "Sir." Always watch out when someone with a gun and a Taser calls you "Sir.") to get out of the vehicle with his hands up. You can see it on youtube.

I really have a hard time believing that having a taser makes a cop less likely to shoot someone who he feels is threatening him. They usually shot unresponsive drunks?

Andy'sDad

[txseawater]

This thread keeps making me sad. I love kidding around and enjoying the folly of man...why make everything so heavy? But some people really yearn to hear The voice of The Lord in their walk and life and I personally have come to a place of hearing that encourages me so much each time when my hearing is confirmed to me in some way. It is as real to me as anything else about my relationship with The Lord. I have had the closest friends agonize over the desire to know that they can hear The Lord; sharing with me their most earnest prayers and doubts. If Jesus said , "My Sheep know my voice, and the voice of the stranger you will not follow", then is that not such a wonderful promise? Who can prove their relationship with The Risen Lord? We can only share with others from our heart that ...we KNOW THAT WE KNOW!  I'm sure there's so much more that I could say, but I just wanted to at least say this much.     

[provided4]

Well that makes two of us sad! I want to hear The Lord now more than ever and its pretty heartbreaking for someone NOT to hear when they are so desperate. I wonder if we try TOO hard. I kind of give up and then rely on my dh to hear since he's leading us anyway. Better HE get the right message!! Also there have been many times I thought I heard..thought I knew...lived for it, believed it, waited for it to transpire....and it didn't. Or didn't the way I thought it would. And yes I know his ways are not our ways...mostly I can be patient and wait but some times are more desperate than others. I do not like to feel desperate. Yet here I am!! It can take the smallest thing to give encouragement...today I am praying for that small thing.

[txseawater]

A song we used to sing:
Give ear to my words o Lord, consider my meditation. Hearken unto the vice of my cry, my King and my God. For unto Thee will I pray. My voice shalt Thou hear in the morning. O Lord in the morning will I direct my prayer unto Thee and will look up!

Oswald Chambers says sometimes we have the silences of God. It does not mean that He is not speaking to us, but rather that He is simply pleased with us.

When I want direction, sometimes, I just need correction!

Here's another song we used to sing:
Search me O God and know my heart, try me and know my thoughts, and see if there be any wicked way in me and lead me in the way everlasting.   

Watchman Nee said to Wait, Walk, Worship ... it's all the same activity.

I think that is what is called abiding.


 
 

[kcb]

I also feel sad about the way these threads have gone.  I love hearing God speak to me.  And I believe that he loves to talk to each one of us.  He can make himself known to us in many ways, but hearing his words to me is so precious.  He is so kind and gentle, and wise.

I believe that anyone can learn to hear God speaking to them.  I think many people will find it easier if they have someone to teach them.

I also believe that the Bible supports this whole idea.  After all, isn't the Bible full of people hearing God speak to them?  The Psalms are what started me thinking that God would speak to me personally.  Btw, my dh hears God too.

[AndysDad]

I'm very sorry if I offended anyone by that last post, which, I admit, trailed off into an off-topic rant.

I'm very cautious of those who say that they've heard from God, for a number of reasons, not the least of which is the biblical command to Test the Spirits.  But it's interesting that this topic would come up right now, because there was a time in my life that I thought I heard from God, and I've often doubted over the years whether it was really God, or just my own vivid imagination.  I'm still not really sure, but the evidence that has mounted up, especially in recent days, makes me willing to believe it was the former.

It was seven years ago, following the sudden death of a man of God for whom I had been agonizing in prayer, knowing that he was in ill health and suspecting that his time had come. But I wasn't ready for him to die; there was so much yet that I wanted him to teach me.

Upon receiving word that my prayers had been answered, "No", I stumbled out into a nearby field to pour out my heart some more.  "God," I pleaded, "Who will rise up to take the place of this prophet whom you have so suddenly taken from us? Who?"

The answer that immediately came was not verbal, but it gave such immediate peace to my spirit that I have treasured it ever since, and I am revealing it now for the first time.

It was just two words, and I write them now in tears, because although I still keenly feel the loss of this man of God and do not presume even now to bear his mantle, I am beginning to see them come true.

"You will."

[joyofthelord]

AndysDad - thank you so much for sharing that!

[provided4]

I'm not opposed to people hearing from God, but it sends major flags up when someone is "so good at it" that they don't see any need to even read the Bible any more, and recommend that you do the same.  (Andys Dad)

Well my dh is one of those...I have a hard time doubting him...and yet when someone says they hear from The Lord and yet haven't picked up their bible in years..well.....when you are not growing you are going backwards. And "hearing" what you think are The Lords words is not growing ( in my opinion). And yet I humbly submit to my dh's ministerings and WANT to believe it is The Lord he is hearing. Can Satan imitate The Lords voice?

[khix]

AndysDad - thank you so much for sharing that!

Yes, thank you for sharing! 

Can Satan imitate The Lords voice?

I think that is a good & valid question.  I'll be interested to see what everyone's answers are.

[txseawater]

  I love that Andy'sdad, because I can relate to it so much! My husband's father was an apostle to 12 churches back in the 70's through the 90's. I know what you are talking about in terms of the mantle. It is evident in our son's lives and in the life of my husband, it is a Heavenly grip that compels the listening and the pondering and the action of obedience. The Lord is speaking, we are just not always listening. We allow distractions. Tactics of satan are always clamorous and loudly intruding. In my experience, the Lord's voice always brings peace, or the promise of peace with the fruit of righteousness when after we have heard correction and obeyed the chastening hand of The Lord, we know that we are loved. I believe that giving heed to voice of the Lord exercises us each time to forsake all else for the cause of Christ. If something of The Lord is evidenced in me first, then He can use me to speak into someone else. I think it also has something to do with putting off the old man with our desires and passions and putting on the new man which is in Christ and renewed day by day. There is a difference in hearing a word from God in the middle of our busy lives, and positioning ones self to hear His voice on a daily basis. I believe that God not only speaks to his children out of mercy, but that God will also honor the soul that seeks Him.           

[rejoicing]

So...should we all hear the Lord speak in an audible voice? I know the Lord has spoken to my heart on many occasions, and He has used scriptures and others to guide my footsteps, but I can't say I literally HEAR him...not like I hear birds singing, or babies crying??   

[kcb]

There is a hearing in the heart.  For me, it feels rather like a thought.  But it is a thought that I did not initiate.  I have learned how to recognize (mostly) which thoughts are initiated by me and which aren't.  I have never heard God speak audibly.

[provided4]

AndysDad - thank you so much for sharing that!

Yes, thank you for sharing! 

Can Satan imitate The Lords voice?

I think that is a good & valid question.  I'll be interested to see what everyone's answers are.

bump

[kcb]

I've heard evil voices in my heart before, suggesting things that are not of God.  I suppose everyone has.  Those need to be denounced in the Name of Jesus Christ!  But I am not afraid of confusing the evil voices with God's voice, because they sound so different from God's words -- they make me angry and full of strife.  Every thought must be compared to the Scripture, no matter where it comes from!

However, when a child of God has asked God to speak, and when the person is truly seeking God, I believe that God does not let the devil get in the way.  Our Father in Heaven gives what is good to those who ask Him!  (That's Matthew 7:11.)

In my opinion, a more common danger for the Christian is when he lets his *own* thoughts and desires dominate.  You may see what I mean if you look at how Balaam "listened" to God in Numbers 22:12 - 35. 

[Sweet E]

Bump...

I've been thinking about this. My question is: How can you discern between God speaking and your own mind? I have no doubt that God can and does communicate with those who trust him. But should we actively seek this (verbal?) communication?

It's pretty easy to notice when Satan is whispering thoughts. They are contrary to scripture. But how do you discern between what God is saying and what you wish/imagine he would say?

E

[andiclare]

For what it's worth, here is a quote from St. John of the Cross, who lived in the 16th Century, about private revelations. (I love this passage...I have it saved on my computer with a bunch of other insightful quotes.)

He's mostly talking about visual revulations/apparitions, but I think it might be applicable to hearing God "speak" as well. (Note that he doesn't automatically condem all private revelations, but he advises extreme caution and discernment in these matters....which is a POV I personally agree with, and I do believe that God can speak to people as clear as He wants to...)

The desire for private revelations deprives faith of its purity, develops a dangerous curiosity that becomes a source of illusions, fills the mind with vain fancies, and often proves the want of humility, and of submission to Our Lord, Who, through His public revelation, has given all that is needed for salvation. We must suspect those apparitions that lack dignity or proper reserve, and above all, those that are ridiculous. This last characteristic is a mark of human or diabolical machination. Stay away from visions, apparitions, and miracles as much as you can. Be careful of visions, even when they are authentic.

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