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Polly
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« on: May 06, 2009, 08:52:19 AM »
Hello.
I am planning a trip to northern India in a few weeks to live with some missionaries for a few months. I have already opted out of the recommended vaccinations for the country, (my family quit doing routine vaccs when I was very young) but I am encountering strong warnings from friends about the dangers. I want to trust God with my health completely, but not mock Him by doing something really dumb.
My question is this, to Rebecca Anast (since you were on the field years ago, and I heard you even got malaria...)) or other unconventional weirdos that don't routinely vaccinate... Wink Should I reconsider since I am headed for a more remote area? Would the vaccs really make that big a difference?
Hoping to hear from you soon,
Polly
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Gabriel Anast
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2009, 01:04:10 PM »
This is Rebekah,

Hi Polly, when I left for PNG, I asked missionaries living in the area what diseases were actually going around, etc... I was told that there had been a few recent cases of Cholera, and so I went ahead and got that immunization. If I remember correctly, they wouldn't have let me into the country without it anyway, because it WAS going around. IMO and experience, Malaria medicine doesn't keep you from getting Malaria, it just gives you a head start in fighting it once you do have it. An herbal buzz-off spray (bug spray) might be a better choice, as it could keep you from getting bit in the first place.

I recommend praying and asking your Head (father, brother...?) about the immunizations. Also, take some GSE with you to put in the water you drink too... it'll save you from stomach problems. Grapefruit seed extract.

Hope you have a good trip,

Rebekah
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2009, 02:45:03 PM »
We recently lived over seas in West Africa withour 10 children ages 15-2.  We chose not to vaccinate any of them other than the manditory yellow fever shot.  We are all alive and well.

While we were there we took antimalarials on and off.  We all got malaria several times.  I was afraid of the side effects of the antimalarials and in the end I did lost the vast majority of my hair from the antimalarials I did take as did one of my daughters.

IMO I thought Rebecca gave good advice.  Sleep with a mosquito net and I know there are totally natural antimalarials to take that some of our visitors took while they were there visiting and they worked for them. 

I am of the opinion to just treat the malaria when you get it.  That seems way better to me than taking the antimalarials.  As far as other illnesses it would be a good idea like Rebecca said to ask and see what is going around over there.  In Liberia Typhoid is a big problem and hard to get rid of.  After having that once that is not something I want to repeat.  You won't die but you'll want too  Tongue

The thing that makes malaria and other tropical diseases so deadly to the natives there is that many many of them are malnourished to begin with so they are easy prey for the diseases and they also sucuumb easily.    I am not saying these illnesses are not potentially very dangerous just that they are treatable and very much so to a normal healthy individual. 

The GSE is invaluable and a must take along.  Also some probiotics if you will be there an extended time. 
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Sweet E
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2009, 04:52:13 PM »
I  travelled around India (Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata, rural areas in the southeast) for ten days in March, and although I got some immunizations (mostly due to not having many as a child), I didn't come into many "questionable" situations, where I felt my health was at risk. Of course, living there for months would be a lot different. I would say that the missionaries you are staying with would know best how to advise you. The people we were staying with were careful to provide us with bottled water, safe food, etc.

One thing that weighed in on my own desicion was that I had never had the childhood immunizations for things like polio, diptheria, etc. These diseases are not problems in the U.S., but are common in India, especially among small children/infants. If you will be working with young children (i.e. changing diapers) you might will be exposed to them.

It is so easy to go back and forth on this issue. Roll Eyes I second what others have said... Ask for advice from those you will be staying with, consider the area you will be visiting, pray, pray, pray... Bring the issue to your father/head, prepare the best you can, and leave the rest with God!

Enjoy your trip! I wish I was heading back with you.  Cheesy

Elisabeth
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Polly
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2009, 10:08:16 AM »
Thanks guys!

I did ask the missionary what he had seen going around, and he said he had had typhoid, and a friend had had Hep A. Malaria is not an issue in the northern part where I will be (in the mountains).  He also said they all had the recommended ones before they came.

The main problem is going to be water contamination issues, although they say they have the chlorine machine, so maybe that's how they purify it. Not that I want to drink chlorine water...Anybody know anything about the UV laser water purification system?

So what I'm doing is checking into homeopathic vaccinations. A friend just told me how her kids all got them by mouth (withOUT the aluminum and mercury that apparently contribute to Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, which is my main probelme with them) from their homeopath. She's on my track to see is we can find anything there.

Unfortunately, my dad doesn't really know any more than I do, so I am trying to do the research. Smiley If I can't do an alternative vacc, I'm still not sure what to do.

How serious are the Hepatitis-es? I've heard that Hep A can affect you for the rest of your life...What about typhoid? Are there natural remedies for either of them if you do get them?

Thanks again!
Polly
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2009, 12:30:49 PM »
I've never been overseas, well St. Lucia but that was only for a 10 day service trip, I would look into Miracle Mineral Supplement. There is a thread of WTM and some sources on the web.

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Sweet E
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2009, 04:27:29 PM »
Wow Polly, I am interested about the homeopathic vaccinations. Please let us know what you discover!

I thought I would mention that the reason that I did not receive many vaccinations as a child was that I had a negative reaction to the ones that were given. I am assuming this is because of the thimerserol content.

So when I met with the travel doctor a few months ago, she said that she would absolutely not give me any more immunizations that contained mercury. I did receive the ones that didn't contain mercury/aluminum, such as (I'm trying to remember  Roll Eyes) typhoid, hep A, and tetanus. So just one more thing to consider... the hep A and typhoid don't contain thimerserol, at least in my own experience. I am assuming they truly didn't since I felt no ill effects afterward.

HTH  Smiley

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Polly
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2009, 02:46:38 PM »
Quote from: Sweet E on May 13, 2009, 04:27:29 PM


So when I met with the travel doctor a few months ago, she said that she would absolutely not give me any more immunizations that contained mercury. I did receive the ones that didn't contain mercury/aluminum, such as (I'm trying to remember  Roll Eyes) typhoid, hep A, and tetanus.


Hey, where did you find that doctor? How can I get the same thing? I don't know what thimerserol is, but I at least know I don't want aluminum! Should I just ask the health dpt. or some random doctor if I can get them without aluminum? :p
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Sweet E
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2009, 02:47:59 PM »
The doctor was one that specialized in travel medicine. She is located in the DC/Baltimore area. My understanding was that none of the hep A, typhoid, or tetanus vaccs contain mercury anyway, so they were safe for me to receive. Thiomersal (I spelled it wrong before  Roll Eyes) is the mercury-based preservative found in many vaccines. So yeah, I would assume that any informed travel doctor should be able to help you.

One other thing... if you still decide (for whatever reason) not to receive the hep A, you can get a shot of gamma globulin (blood proteins) that will temporarily boost your immunity to hepatitis. If I remember right, it should last a few months. I opted to get the vaccine instead, since it was the same price and will (theoretically) last my whole life, with the booster.

Elisabeth  Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2009, 06:40:45 AM »
Something to think about--

My daughter gave blood this week and got a long list of medical precautions.  Some of them are rather ridiculous: for example, someone who is married to a missionary kid who grew up in Gabon 1960-1978 can never give blood, because by definition he is still at risk of having HIV, 31 years later.
If you've had an unlicensed vaccine, you can't give blood for a year. But if you've had ANY other vaccine, even the ones for STD's, you're OK to give blood a couple of weeks later--without even interrupting your eight-week donation cycle.

So, if you've ever had a blood transfusion, you've already received all active immunization antibodies--and maybe even the vaccine germs themselves--from the blood donor.
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Polly
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2009, 12:13:47 PM »
Here's what I discovered from the homeopath in Toronto that I talked with for nearly an hour this morning. Smiley The whole concept of vaccinations actually originates in homeopathy. That is, the idea of introducing harmless amounts of a pathogen into the body so it can build up immune responses that will kick in when you encounter the real thing. That is exactly what homeopathy is all about. They take a small amount of a substance (and it can either be a pathogen, like the typhoid, Hep B, measles, mumps and rubella that I am getting, or an herb or even salt...) and dilute it MANY times over (one drop of the water put into another bottle of clear water, one drop of that in another, and so on) until you end up with a very slight chemical image (like a photocopy) of the original substance. This is introduced to the body ORALLY (not injected straight into the bloodstream like pharmaceutical ones--a very shocking and unnatural event to your body) and passes all the normal routes of the body that a real disease would (through the mucous membranes, etc. before it reaches the bloodstream). The "photocopy" of the pathogen triggers or warns the body to look out for this substance, and it "remembers" what it looks like. This is more than just building up antibodies, it's apparently your whole immune system preparing to defend against the disease on its own.
Fascinating, isn't it? I don't know how comprehensive my description there is, but I'm learning still. Smiley This homeopath, Jack Gagliardi,  has had 100% success rate in his own practice with the immunizations. Back around 200 years ago, this practice became known in the terrible outbreaks of scarlet fever, cholera, the Plague, and other horrible diseases. The hospital records from even those times show the difference between the homeopath hospitals (1-2% mortality rates) and the allopathic ones (30-40 % mortality)!
So I'll take these remedies three doses each, a week apart, and then one more when I get there. Then I have practically a whole bottle left to take with me, maybe I can help someone else if there's an outbreak!
I'm so happy! Smiley
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Polly
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2009, 12:14:40 PM »
By the way, his website is
http://homeopathyheals.com/Vaccination.html
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