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Gabriel Anast
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« on: June 26, 2009, 04:30:04 PM »

OK, there have been a thousand descriptions of how a Jewish wedding works / worked... and of course, there probably are a thousand different versions... but I would like to focus on a Hollywood version for the moment. lol. Oddly, it seems to have merit.

I recently watched the movie Defiance at the recommendation of others here... and enjoyed it very much... especially the brief wedding scene between Asael and Chayah. It demonstrated something that I had never seen demonstrated, but had described to my wife on many occasions: the implicit feminism in modern marriage vows. I had not known before how feminism is simply and clearly opposed by the simple, right structure of traditional Jewish (law of Moses) marriage:

The entire marriage (greatly shortened for the movie) proceeds like this:



Cantor:
    Blessed art Thou, our God, king of the universe, who created man in His own image and out of Himself fashioned for us a lasting place.

Blessed art Thou, our God, king of the universe, who created all things for His glory.

Oh, gladden these loving mates as Thou did anciently gladden Thy creatures in Eden.

Blessed art Thou, O God, who gladdens the bridegroom and the bride.

Amen.

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    Amen.

Groom puts a ring on the bride's hand and,
    With this ring you are consecrated to me according to the law of Moses and Israel.

Groom breaks a glass under foot, out of which both bride and groom had drunk...

Cantor:
    Mazel tov!



Just a blessing according to the nature of creation and the God that made it, and the man telling his wife that she is now holy unto him.

In ancient times and now, the man would also write a contract to the woman which was accepted by her and her father before the dowry was paid and the betrothal was initiated. This usually ensured that she would have certain care, food, housing, clothing and (even today in some orthodox settings) a certain number of nights a week duty of marriage.

The point? That this Jewish / Hebrew version of marriage:
  • does not make the man and wife equal partners, rather the wife is holy unto the man, and she is promised certain things under the law and sometimes by contract.
  • does not make the state a third and superior partner, rather the state is irrelevant to the marriage.
  • does not tie the participants to financial "bribes" from the government to make sure that children are signed up to taxation roles, etc
  • does not predicate the marriage on a person's ability to do what they have (foolishly, IMO) sworn to do, rather the expectations on the people involved are simply lawful expectations that the entire community shares. Some specific to marriage, some general... and that if there is violation, the person in violation is cut off from the community. Simple as that. Talk about strong encouragement to live righteously with your spouse.
  • does not predicate the relationship on artificial promises of fidelity in circumstances that may or may not warrant "fidelity," but rather on natural constructs that God created and organized.
  • does not differentiate between "qualities" of marriages. A "romantic" love story is not more desirable for a good outcome than that the couple simply needs each other and that each is willing to walk in righteousness with the other.

Note that I am not saying that modern Jewish marriages do not get marriage licenses... typically they do. I am talking about the older more purely Jewish (Mosaic) marriage, for instance, as presented in the movie Defiance. Note also that early American marriages shared a number of these traits even though the vows were typically Anglican.

Interesting history of (European / "Christian") marriage vows

Why did I post this?

I guess because there is no real specific description of a Jewish / Hebrew wedding in the Bible, but all the constructs are there in the text of the law... they are just not explicit like in American law. This was a brilliant, simple expression of the typical (historical) interpretation of a wedding as regards the law of Moses... well maybe not the ring and the glass... probably more typical would be newly pierced ears and expensive earrings... who knows.

Also, my father in law wrote an article recently that got us talking about the issue and our own marriage... and so I decided to write this little movie review...

--gabe
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2009, 05:32:18 PM »

I so enjoyed reading that article by your father-in-law.  It brought up a lot of points my husband and I have discussed extensively throughout our marriage.  In the Hispanic culture, there is a lot of "eloping."  Basically, a man and a woman go to a hotel together and consummate their relationship.  From that point on, they are considered married.  It is essentially a common-law marriage.  Upon joining a church, they are encouraged to "get married."  Andy and I have never really understood this pressure.  This man and woman have been living together faithfully for years, had children together, bought a house together, etc.  Aren't they already married?  Are they less married because their union has not been officially recognized by either the state or the church.

Anyways, sorry for chasing that rabbit trail.  I've been wanting to see the movie Defiance...I'll definitely look for it now.
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2009, 06:31:13 PM »

As regards "eloping" the Mosaic law considered this theft of a special sort.

1) The father could (if he chose to) "utterly refuse" to give his daughter. In this case, the man that took the eloping daughter owed the father 50 days wage (presumably 50 days wage of whomever had the better wage) and the father kept the daughter.

2) If the father was OK with the marriage, the man that took the eloper still owed 50 days wage to the father.

3) If the man could not pay the dowry, he became the servant of the father for a maximum of 6 years.

Advise to the wise: don't elope with a rich girl!

4) If a man eloped with a girl, and the father agreed to the marriage, he could NEVER divorce her.

Advise to the wise: don't elope with a girl you don't know well... corollary: beware of gold diggers!

There are more subtleties... but these are interesting, and don't obviate the things you said above, but would give a lot of young people pause under Hebrew law.

--gabe

PS: Oh, this might seem really restrictive, but it pretty much obviated rape in Hebrew society... there were other barriers as well: incest was punishable by death, etc.
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2009, 01:03:56 PM »

    • does not tie the participants to financial "bribes" from the government to make sure that children are signed up to taxation roles, etc

    Hi, not sure what this means. Are you talking about the income tax deductions you can take for each kid on your tax return? Can't see why it would be wrong but maybe I'm missing something?   

    ThatKid       

    As a side note, I immensely enjoyed Definance. 
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    Gabriel Anast
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    « Reply #4 on: June 30, 2009, 05:55:08 PM »

    The thing about that particular situation, is that it requires the parents to sign the children up for numbers upon which the entire financial system is predicated. The children don't get a choice in the matter because their parents are offered kickbacks to do the dirty work.

    I am not saying that the ssn in the number of the beast as mentioned in Revelation... but if its not, it is brilliantly close.

    --gabe

    PS: Full Disclosure: I have and actively use a SSN...
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