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Deb
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« on: July 27, 2009, 04:24:26 PM »

 We are currently trying to help a young lady who has had many visits from mormons and they have sown some seeds of doubt in her. She is in the middle of her husband having left her and their 1 yr. old son for an ex girlfriend he is now with. So she is vulnerable to them. She said that when the kjv of the bible was translated that the king decided some of the "books" in the old greek and hebrew texts were not needed and so not included in the kjv bible. I had never heard this. I have heard there were "lost" books, but never that king James didn't include them. I feel that every word God inspired was translated for the English world is  in the KJV. Not one word more or less than God intended. Also she said that God does not say not to add to or take away from His word, only the prophecies.Is that right? I always thought it meant the whole Bible was not to be added to or words taken away from. We are meeting with her again tommorrow so any verses, comments will be helpful. I think she is seeing the mormons again tonight. Please all keep her in prayer, she is going through so much, I don't want the devil to decieve her.
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Gabriel Anast
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2009, 07:33:16 PM »

The rest aside, I think that this woman in her situation needs something entirely different than doctrine... she needs love and care of her physical needs. I am pretty sure that if you can provide those two things... the rest will be immaterial. If she is being cared for by her parents, or a job that she has, or other... then... I am not sure that any proof you can offer her "against" the Mormons will be of use either. That said...

Adding to / Taking away from the word of God: The nature of God giving His word to man is established in idea of words written in stone, great condemnation for discarding them, and great blessing for heeding them... The Hebrews were taught to tie certain portions to their hands and between their eyes, to place them on their door posts, and to wear certain clothes that indicated to the wearer that they were children "of" the words of God. There is obviously implicit condemnation in taking away from any of the words of God. This would include those penned by prophets, the law, the words of Christ, and His apostles... this may exempt the books of history... but I think not, as they too seem (to me) to have been written by prophets.

Deu 4:2     Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Deu 12:32   What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Mat 5:19   Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Rev 22:18   For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

In many places the commandments of men (portions added to the scripture) are strongly condemned:

Pro 30:5   Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
         Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Mat 15:9    But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:7       Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
Col 2:22    Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Tts 1:14       Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

As for the KJV issue...

I would not argue this, or bring it up. Almost every person I have ever met that "stands on the KJV" does not understand it well... this is a serious problem. Instead, my thoughts are to win her with obedience to God: care for the widow and the orphan.

--gabe

PS: As to the main question... the KJ not only included all the books deemed "establishable" as being penned by the purported authors at the purported times... but it included 13 (?) books that  the committee felt were "marginal"... and  termed them so, "Apocryphal." So, they went above and beyond the call of duty in that respect. The Book of Mormon did not appear as a text until 1830 (!) check out the Egyptian plates in the opening of the original printings... pretty funny actually.
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