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[Gabriel Anast]

Sorry we've kept this from you until now. Honestly, I didn't know what God wanted me to do, or if He even wanted me to present this. This morning, 10 minutes before John and I did our broadcast, we talked about the things that were on our hearts to say. And the transcript in the following post is part of it (for those of you that can't hear the audio version). We're not sure what this means or what lies ahead, but we wanted to give you a heads-up in any case.

We may encounter a little turbulence...

--gabe

[Gabriel Anast]

This is a transcript from the last audio teaching called "The House of Joseph - simple version." The first part of the audio explains why 7xsunday.net, welltellme.com, and urbanexod.us may all be gone on, or around, September 15th, 09.

Intro:
This is going to be a very unique broadcast, not like anything we have done before for reasons that will become apparent, I hope. I know that what comes first might be a little shocking to some of you, especially those who have not heard any of our broadcasts before. I’m hoping this broadcast is heard by a lot of people. But, these are sort of special circumstances and I’ll explain as I go. If you are offended by what comes first, hang around till the end, listen to the whole thing. I would urge you that even if what I say first makes you mad, what I say at the end will probably make you mad too, but I want you to hear the whole thing. And I hope... I hope it will be a good thing. And I hope God will use it to strengthen you and bless you. So. Let me pray.

God I thank you for this morning and I thank you for the place you’ve given us and I thank you for the Word you gave us from the beginning which is so incredibly full of truth and mercy and goodness. I think.. to us. I thank you for your Spirit which quickens our hearts and minds to understand it. And I just bless you for the grace you give to strengthen us to obey it. And that really describes my heart and mind and thoughts in so many ways. I bless you and I praise you and I dedicate my voice to you today and our work in the word so far, as I understand it. And I pray that you would bind and rebuke Satan as we communicate this. And I pray that your Spirit would speak to the people speak to their hearts and encourage them and bring them to repentance and holiness before you. I bless you and I praise you, Oh God. I pray these things in the name and blood of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Okay, alright...

Opening Monologue - Gabe:

So. First of all:

From the beginning, from December of 2004, when I first put 7xsunday up on the web. I have paid for the server space, the upgrades, for other programmers to write small scripts here and there to make the site do things that seemed like would be convenient. Rebekah and I have spent huge amounts of time, for free, researching and putting up information; whether on WTM or 7xS in Bible study.
I know there’s a lot of you that don’t agree with the things that I have found in the Bible, and so might not think it very significant that I have done these things for free... and thats okay. Ultimately I guess I’m not speaking to you anyway, but to those that value our input, and the things that we’ve done on 7xS and WTM and Urbanexod.us. So.

Even during the years when I could have made good money, I didn’t. I chose not to. I chose to give it away to the people, to God’s work. I’m not trying to make myself an example in the way that I’ve gone. I know that other men won’t have this calling, and I’m alright with this. But I just want to say where I’ve come and what I’ve done and make it clear and make it plain to the people. I don’t think I need to go more into my history than that, but if you have questions, I guess I can cover those things.

However, recently, since February, I have been studying full time. I have not been working anymore. All I’ve been doing is studying the Word. And I did that because I think God told me to. It’s not because I wanted to... it really scared me. And we were really poor for those months. And a handful of people have supported us here and there by giving us a bag of wheat or food a few dollars.  And that’s fine... And we’re happy to live poor. We’ve done that our whole married life, Rebekah and I. We’re good at it. And I should say more or less; we haven’t always lived as poor as we are now, we certainly have had more money in the past, but that is not the point, I’m just going through the situation...

We have had significant, or decent, residual income from the vitamin company from selling my share there. And it felt like God said “you need to depend on me for this work” and the implication was “don’t depend on that residual income, give it away too...” And I did.

That puts me in a kind of a crazy place. It puts me in a place where, frankly, I can’t pay for the server, and uh... I can’t pay for my own food. I work 40 - 50 hours a week and I come home and there’s no paycheck. It’s not like I have a small paycheck; I have none. Zero dollars. Hard to live that way.

So, the reason I’m saying all this is to say that, I love WTM and I love 7xS, but as I understand what God’s doing in my life, I need to disconnect, and the server is going off on Wednesday I think. And uh... Because I’m not going to pay for it. I have no way to pay for it, frankly. Not only do have no way to pay for the server, in this work that I’m doing, I have no way to pay for my family’s own meals. And I must... I must before God be an elder before God in this work. And one of the qualifications for a believer, for a man, is to provide for his own family. And if a man does not provide for his own family, Paul says plainly that he is worse than an unbeliever. In other words, you need to cut him off more completely than you would separate yourself from an unbeliever. And I’ve got to do that..
I’ve got to go to work and that means that these things, this fruit of me, that many have eaten of freely for years [will no longer be provided by me]... never have I charged, and I won’t. I did run some advertisement on WTM for a while. I think it’s been a year or so since I got any money from the advertising... I didn’t think the advertising was right... Many of you will think that’s crazy, I suppose; that’s something you’ll have to work out... I didn’t feel before God that it was right, so I kept the advertisers I liked and let them run for free and that’s what you see on WTM today.

So I want to say something about giving. I want to say that it is good to give to God. Not to a man because of things you like him to say. Or that you like what he is saying. Or because you are of his denomination or his perspective. And not to give to a corporation in order to receive a tax rebate. That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about giving to God. And I wrote a pretty comprehensive document about this on 7xS which you can still see if you search for “God or Mammon.”  Just want to go over some of my basic thoughts there.

Go with Abel. Go with the first person that gave an acceptable gift to God. Go with him, and give the first and fat. Give the first and the best. If you wonder what would be pleasing to God, look at what you have and give the first and the best.

I’ve done it. I’ve done it for a long time. WTM is my first and my best. 7xS has been my first and my best. I’ve given it to God. Many times the things I’ve written have not been well accepted by the general audience and I’m okay with that because I didn’t give it to them, I gave it to God. And in so doing, those people of God that love to hear it, or people that wanted to hear some kind of alternative health therapy on WTM, were able to eat of it and benefit from it. Others rejected it and I’m okay with that; they weren’t able to benefit from it I guess. It’s alright; it was my gift to God, not to them.

Each person needs to give like Abel did; the first and the best. In some cases that might mean giving money or sharing your physical things with a man of God, the man that is teaching you. In a specific case, right now, it might mean giving money to Gabriel Anast. However, right now that is not what I’m trying to communicate here. It might not mean that. God might have someone else for you to give it to. Good. Give the first and the best to your poor believing neighbor. Or part of it. But give all of your first and best to God. Give all of it.

As I understand it, Jacob, when he was about to flee from his brother Esau, who he thought was going to kill him, and went to Haran... there he vowed to God, “God if you’ll feed me and clothe me, and if you’ll return me to this land in peace, then I’ll believe you like my father Isaac and grandfather Abraham did. And when I come back I’ll give you the 10th of all I have.”

In my understanding that was the first and the fat. I mean it could have been a tenth that wasn’t the first and the fat, but what I’m saying is that when he gave his tenth that it was the first and the fat.

I’m not saying you should give the tenth, I’m saying for you to bow down before God and figure out what the first and the fat is and give it. Give it to God. It may mean, as it did for Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in in several cases, to take their own goods, their own animals, the best, and to find a place as John mentioned a while back... a place that was not man made, unhewn stone, or land without any changes made by man, and they sacrificed an animal and burned it to God.

For those of you that have never done this before and have a really hard time thinking you have to give the first and the fat to God.... You know it might sound crazy but, it might be good for you to go out and just see what it means to not give to an internet preacher or to a 501c3 corporation or to all those people who are asking for your money. Instead find out what it is like to give to God.

Take the first and the fat and find an open place where man hasn’t intervened and burn the first and the fat. I don’t care if it is a stack of cash. I don’t care if it is a bicycle. For some of you that have a lot of money it might be a motorcycle.. probably get arrested for burning your motorcycle out in the desert some where, I don’t know (laughter...).

I’m saying “feel it.” Feel what it’s like to give the first and the fat to God, so that it is something that you can’t touch anymore... that it’s gone, given to God. It might seem weird, I’m not necessarily recommending it, but I’m saying figure out what it means to give the first and the fat to God. Why? Because it’s pleasing to God.

And it’s displeasing to God for you to hold it all. Because he gave it all to you. He gave everything you have to you. And if you say, “It’s all mine, and I’m not going to give any back to God as a token of praise to God for giving me the power and strength to attain the things that I’ve attained.”... This is displeasing to God. Why would you do that? Why wouldn’t you rather please Him and in so doing guarantee that you have the things that you need. Guarantee that He will continue to give you have the strength to gain the things that you need.

So I want to say as well, that of all the people that I’ve met through 7xS and WTM, two people have done this. Two people/families have done this for me. One of them you know well. SC lady and her husband Duke. And I know they have given the first and the fat. I’m not saying they’ve given it all to me. I know they’ve given some of it to me. But I know they’ve given it to God. And I know they’ve loved God, as far as I’ve known them, I know they’ve loved God and honored him in this thing.

I should say there is three, one is my friend John. I know I’ve seen it in his life and benefited from some of it.

And the third (for reason of anonymity) is AmyJoy, a moderater that used to be on 7xS... her and her husband. And they have given, of everybody that has ever given anything to 7xS and WTM, including the advertisers on WTM, they’ve given more than half of all that has been given. And I’m not saying that to lift them up, for instance, above the others that have given the first and the fat to God. I’m just saying it’s been a sacrifice for them, and it’s been an amazing thing. And I love them for it.

And before God, when I pray for you people... and I do... I do. I pray for so many of you by name or screen name... I remember them with the gifts that they have given... not that I prefer them above the others... you are all in my prayers. But that I remember that and I say “Thank you God for this, and for this that they gave which fed my kids and paid a light bill.” And I bless them for it.

Now, I’m going to ask two things. If any of you send anything: This is what I need it to be: I need you to say, when you send me something... fifty cents, a bag of rice, a hundred dollars... anything (and I’m saying you’ll probably loose 7xS and WTM if you don’t... and that’s okay, maybe it’s time for 7xS to go away. And I’m alright with that.), send a little note that says “I gave the first and the fat to God, and this is part of it.”

You don’t have to give it all to me... you don’t have to give any of it to me. But I desire, I desire greatly that you give it to God. So that you would learn what this thing that you hold in your hands is. That it is a gift that is precious; that it can be taken away in an instant. Your ability to get food can be gone in an instant. Your ability to stay warm and clothed can be gone in an instant. This thing that you hold is valuable to you. Don’t take it for granted. Give the first and the fat to God. Give it some way. I’m not saying to give it to me.
Don’t give it to a corporation, I will say that. Don’t give it to someone that will give you a tax rebate; I don’t think that’s a gift to God; It’s a gift to your government because the government gives you your reward. Give it in secret with an open hand and give it to God in the way that He directs and don’t hold it back. So.

That’s really not the main topic of what I’m going to talk about today... and that’s not the crazy part. Do you have anything else to say about giving?

John:

Yeah. I guess what I would say is that, neither Gabe nor I desire your money, we’re not asking for your money. We’re not asking for your money in any way shape or form. Yeah. We desire that you walk in righteousness before God. The Bible is not a joke. The words of God are pure and strong and powerful. And when the apostle said, “God is not mocked. Whatsoever you sow, that shall you also reap. If you sow to the flesh you will of the flesh reap corruption, if you sow to the spirit you will of the spirit reap life everlasting.” It wasn’t a joke; it wasn’t a game, it was as true as anything you’ve ever read or heard. Like I said, we don’t want your money, but we desire that you have the ability to hear truth.

What we say and understand is so bizarre, in many cases, that looking at it from an American cultural perspective seems like, “man, this has got to be false, error, whatever.” But it’s all been presented on an open forum, open to contest, to repudiation, to anyone who is willing to stand up and say, “no, you guys made serious errors here, this is what the Bible says here...” To my observation everyone who stood up and said, “this is wrong” had no [biblical] footing to stand on, and for the most part they left. And that’s okay.
We want you to stand righteous before God. Give it where God says to give it. Take it out, pile up a bunch of rocks in a place that has no building, no concrete, whatever... on dry dirt. Don’t hew the rocks, put your money on it and burn it. Give it to God. Pour it out as an offering to God. As David poured out the water. God is not mocked.

(The rest of the audio teaching is about the prophecy of the House of Joseph and is available here: House of Joseph - simple version )



PS: There are a handful of others that have given things (jam, knitted hats, a sewing machine, piles of herbs, cash, beans, wheat...) to us over the years. We are grateful for these things as well. Our objective here is to describe to you how to give to God that which He desires (how, what, to whom, etc)... and receive His blessing for it.

[SC lady]

Dear 7xSunday family,

My heart’s prayer is that if any of the time Duke & I have spent here has been of profit to you, please, pay it forward. If any of the words that have been shared have given you hope, inspired, convicted, or in any way changed your life for the good, then give as you have been given.

I am humbled that God would have allowed one such as myself to be used here, and I am amazed by it. I cannot tell you how often I’ve wrestled with an answer, knowing it might offend and praying that the truth would somehow hit the mark before I lost the reader. All of us want to be accepted and well-received. Yet, I had to deal with the reality that I might get only one opportunity to ‘speak’ to an individual on this world wide web – and this was more important than trying to be well-liked. So, I found myself on more than one occasion stepping out on the proverbial limb.

If not for Duke, I would have turned it down the moderator’s position here. Who wants to be the one constantly enforcing the rules? Yet, through Duke, God confirmed that this was His opportunity.

I was in over my head and I knew it. I asked God for wisdom and He lavished some friendships upon me (in addition to Gabe & Rebekah) that I will always cherish. There are too many to name, but one I must recognize. This person helped me navigate the technical aspects of this position (what does that button do?), shared the wealth of her experience with me, and offered untold hours of objective feedback when I wrestled with how to handle each sticky circumstance. She was just the kick in the pants I needed when I needed it and as a bonus, she became a treasured friend . . . and that in spite of the fact that we often have differing opinions. Truly, I wouldn’t have been able to do this job were it not for Healthybratt. My hat is off to you dear one, God will reward your work.

I can’t begin to say enough good things about my fellow moderators. Travis came on board at a time when the men’s boards were in dire need of his attentions. It has been a blessing to have his leadership. When Gabe & Rebakah asked about another female moderator, Amy Joy was on my short list. I was thrilled to see their selection. The wisdom of these selections was made even more apparent as we hammered out the rules document.

This journey hasn’t been without challenges. But one of the greatest blessings to me has been to see the ladies boards begin to self-moderate. In the beginning, it was like watching someone toss pasta. Posts would be thrown against the wall to see if they stuck or were removed by the moderators. Then, there was a shift where each member began to thoughtfully contribute his or her best and encourage each other, offer guidance, etc. Oh, there are still a few ‘pasta-tossing’ posts here and there, but they aren’t as common. It is good to see the fruit.

Then there are the prayer warriors that lifted us up in prayer. God knows who you are. Occasionally He let me know. How often was I awakened and prompted to check the forum only to find a need had just been posted? Or someone was trying to reach me? One time I found that a brother on night watch had seen a member’s post and was on his face in prayer just as I happened to log on and see the same post.

Most importantly, I must say thank you to Gabe and Rebakah. I don’t know what conversations must have taken place in their home that led them to pile up their kids and drive all of the way to our home and visit, but I bless the events that led to that meeting. I can tell that just as the book is better than the movie, the real-life Anasts are SO much better than the words on a page can convey. Before anyone else knew our name, before I had written anything about our story, Gabe and Rebakah believed God could use us. I can’t tell you how many times knowing they were praying for us gave us strength we needed. They passed over others with more credentials and qualifications and invited us to take this crazy journey, and it was just what we needed. This was like a stream in the desert to us.

As I consider the investment that has made 7xSunday possible, I’m just filled with a humble gratitude. I’m grateful that God uses those who are willing, and that I was given this opportunity to serve. May those things that were not of Him fade away and that which survives be refined as gold.

In Him,
SC lady

[MrsHope]

If someone feels that giving the first and the fat to God directs them to giving to 7xsunday, where would one send something? Is there an address?

[khix]

I am praying, praying, praying!

I would hate to see WTM/7xS go!  These sites are precious to me!  The people here are precious to me!  These sites have been an invaluable resource & help to me!  I am praying for a miracle!

If it is the Lord's will for this site to go, then please accept my sincerest thanks for all the hard work that was put into it, and please know that I appreciate & care for every one of you!  Beka, Gabe, SC, ......soooooooooo many to list.......soooooo many caring PM's from so many caring people......to everyone who has helped me - THANK YOU!

I would hate to lose touch.....if you want to keep in touch, PM me your email address & I'll PM you mine. 

Oh, how I wish I could help out in some way....but, right now, I am praying, praying, praying!

[BJ_BOBBI_JO]

It is sad to see the forums go but I do understand the cost of keeping them online. I hear it can be very costly. Many many ppl have been helped especially by WTM.

Since so many people have developed friendships and still continue to lean on achother for prayer, insight and other things perhaps one of those free forums things could be done? For maintaining frienships and all that. Yahoo forums is kind of hard to work. The new MSN ones arnt so bad. Or a facebook forum could be made for free.

And the preaching broadcast could be put on youtube for free if one has already has a digital means to get it on there.

I imagine it will be hard for people to just dissconnnect from eachother all of a sudden so that is why I sujested those free forums above.

Thank you SC, AMYJOY, GABE, BEKA, TRAVIS and HB and any other mods I forgot to mention. TY for your time, researching and help. WTM has helped give me the jump start I needed in my herbal research and making my own natural medicines to help prolong my life with this awful brittle diabetes. God bless you all. See you in heaven some day.

[AndysJess]

I am sad at the idea of these websites shutting down.  I've learned so very much from the wise women here on 7xs.  The practical knowledge I've gained from WTM has been invaluable.  If this happens, although I hope something can be figured out to prevent it, my heartfelt thanks go to all those who have allowed God to speak through them.

[khix]

Since so many people have developed friendships and still continue to lean on achother for prayer, insight and other things perhaps one of those free forums things could be done? For maintaining frienships and all that. Yahoo forums is kind of hard to work. The new MSN ones arnt so bad. Or a facebook forum could be made for free.

Ditto!

If this forum can't continue, I would love to have a way to still keep in touch & help each other, and pray for each other!

[Sweet E]

If someone feels that giving the first and the fat to God directs them to giving to 7xsunday, where would one send something? Is there an address?

[amy3js]

I want to say thank you as well,  I have learned so much and some really big things lately. I have never felt sad over the thought of losing a fellowship-type place before and I never thought I would, but I do feel very sad. I hope I can still come here in the future. But if all else fails, I'm glad I can ask myself, what would the women on 7xs say? 

[rainygladness]

This place has been a blessing that I will miss it so much if it goes away.  I am a clumsy cyber communicator.  There's so much that can be misinterpreted without the use of personal expression. And I’m all about my non verbal expression, tone of voice, body language.   So I hope what I write comes across right. 
Mostly I am confused about Gabe's message. The pieces I quote below seem to make a strong statement that makes me confused.

 

...Rebekah and I have spent huge amounts of time, for free,
...[you] might not think it very significant that I have done these things for free
...even during the years when I could have made good money, I didn’t.
...I have not been working anymore. And we were really poor for those months.
...a handful of people have supported us here and there
...it’s not like I have a small paycheck; I have none. Zero dollars. Hard to live that way.
...I need to disconnect, and the server is going off on Wednesday I think. And uh... Because I’m not going to pay for it. I have no way to pay for it, frankly.
…this fruit of me, that many have eaten of freely for years [will no longer be provided by me]... never have I charged, and I won’t.
…you don’t have to give it all to me... you don’t have to give any of it to me.
…Give the first and the fat to God. Give it some way. I’m not saying to give it to me.
…Don’t give it to a corporation
John:
…neither Gabe nor I desire your money, we’re not asking for your money. We’re not asking for your money in any way shape or form.
Don’t hew the rocks, put your money on it and burn it.

So…I’m getting a mixed message.  Either you want money for the continuance of these sites, or you want to teach on giving.  But the way you say it is mixing me up.   

Forgive me if this sounds contentious, but I truly do not understand why the big drama about money and giving?  Many ministries unashamedly ask for support, sell their products and promote their ministries so that we have the privilege of giving to a cause that helps so many.  I see nothing wrong with giving to those who are in need or who have a ministry that serves God’s purposes.   Why wait till the day before the plug is pulled to present the need you have? 

Also, I don’t understand why there is any naming of names.  I think we're all grateful for the efforts donated on all the parts of the mods, owners, helpers, etc.  But it’s kind of grievous seeing people, um...humbly exalted (for lack of a better term) for their monetary giving and ultimately shown higher esteem for it.  This seems to overtly exploit those who originally gave from a humble, anonymous heart.  I would NOT want my name listed for having given to any ministry.  Defeats the whole purpose of giving/sacrificing our best to the Lord when men praise us for it.  Just my .02 

But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
 -Matt 6:4

[Sunshine06]

Since so many people have developed friendships and still continue to lean on achother for prayer, insight and other things perhaps one of those free forums things could be done? For maintaining frienships and all that. Yahoo forums is kind of hard to work. The new MSN ones arnt so bad. Or a facebook forum could be made for free.

Ditto!

If this forum can't continue, I would love to have a way to still keep in touch & help each other, and pray for each other!

I second that! I haven't been on much lately, but WTM and 7XS have been invaluable to me...the advice, the godly attitudes, the health remedies. I am the odd, old-fashioned one among my friends, so it's nice to feel "at home" here.  Whatever happens with the sites, thank you Gabe, Rebekah, SC Lady and everyone else. We'll be praying for God's direction and provision.

[smfmommy]

Thank you for all the work and sacrifice that have gone into the three sites.  We have learned much from you all and will miss the sites very much.

If it does shut down it is our own fault to some extent.  Gabe had made mention of their need earlier and had put up a way to thank WTM with donations but apparently we (collectively) didn't give enough.  As much as we are used to ministries begging for money at every turn I think it was admirable that they were more like Mueller and trying to depend on God fully.

This whole deal may have been handled better but I am very certain that Gabe was following the leading of God to the best of his ability (and his ability is better than many).

We are praying.  May God continue to lead and guide you in the way you should go, whether it be on this site or not.

[khix]

For those who felt led to give to 7xs, how would they do it?

[Gabriel Anast]

So…I’m getting a mixed message.  Either you want money for the continuance of these sites, or you want to teach on giving.  But the way you say it is mixing me up.   

Forgive me if this sounds contentious, but I truly do not understand why the big drama about money and giving?  Many ministries unashamedly ask for support, sell their products and promote their ministries so that we have the privilege of giving to a cause that helps so many.  I see nothing wrong with giving to those who are in need or who have a ministry that serves God’s purposes.   Why wait till the day before the plug is pulled to present the need you have?

Last question first... "why wait until the last minute?" That is a good question... and honestly I am not sure I have an answer. The bottom line is that it seems to me that God "did" this to me in order that I would give my first presentation of the House of Joseph study... even if rather precipitously.

I am not faulting God here... if anyone is at fault it is me for not being able to follow God better. I'm working on that... lol.

As regards the other questions, I think they are answered in the God or Mammon document... the short answer being that I believe that one should not merchandise the word of God, and that a gift to a corporation violates the general ideas of giving in the NT and the OT. I know this puts me at odds with almost the entire American church... nevertheless I think it is what the Bible says.

Also, I don’t understand why there is any naming of names.  I think we're all grateful for the efforts donated on all the parts of the mods, owners, helpers, etc.  But it’s kind of grievous seeing people, um...humbly exalted (for lack of a better term) for their monetary giving and ultimately shown higher esteem for it.  This seems to overtly exploit those who originally gave from a humble, anonymous heart.  I would NOT want my name listed for having given to any ministry.  Defeats the whole purpose of giving/sacrificing our best to the Lord when men praise us for it.  Just my .02 

But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
 -Matt 6:4

They did do them in secret. They never intended nor expected that anyone would ever know what they gave. Maybe it was not my prerogative to say what I did, but Christ himself in the very verse you are quoting says this:

Mat 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: ⁴ That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

The reason to give secretly? That God may reward you openly. Some day all will be made manifest and you too will be openly rewarded before all for the things that you gave in secret. As you said, the humble will be lifted up. As I see it, this is God's way.

I am not saying that you should give here to me. As you implied, you should give as God directs.

--gabe

[SC lady]

If someone feels that giving the first and the fat to God directs them to giving to 7xsunday, where would one send something? Is there an address?

I've been told that it is okay to share this address for 7xSunday as it is "everywhere on the net anyway"

P.O. Box 1788, Gallup, NM 87305

[momofskc]

Gabe and John, thank you for blessing me with this word today. Thank you for your obedience to our GREAT GOD to be what he has led you to be and to do as he has instructed you to do. While listening to your word today I was so greatly convicted of the ways God leads me that I just tend to think is just a quiet thought that I have and tend to think not so important. Thank you for building my faith. I am so unworthy of the knowledge that you have been led to share. I thank my God that he has blessed me with the priviledge of knowing it. I pray that I will forever remember the words you were led to share on this broadcast. How with what God has blessed me with, what am I doing with this? I pray that I will be able to be still and know my God and listen to Him better and know more of His truth. All I need in this world is His truth. May God richly bless you in this life with whatever it is that you need from Him. Thank you, my brothers, for sharing. I pray that we will all be faithful to the end to our God.

[ridgerunner]

I was a practicing Witch when someone recommended that I join WTM to learn more about herbal healing.  I did, mainly because I wanted to learn more about herbs and incorporate them into my witchcraft.  When I joined, I found out about 7xs because the registration emails came from here.  Eventually I got curious and came over here to check stuff out and found a representation of God that affected me in a way that years of 'typical American Church' never did.  I now live trying to simply love Him and learn to be righteous. 

Thank you for leading me there with your work and sacrifices. I wish I had it in my power to give you all a wheelbarrow full of cash, it would be a small payment for convicting me to come to God.

[amy3js]

I was a practicing Witch when someone recommended that I join WTM to learn more about herbal healing.  I did, mainly because I wanted to learn more about herbs and incorporate them into my witchcraft.  When I joined, I found out about 7xs because the registration emails came from here.  Eventually I got curious and came over here to check stuff out and found a representation of God that affected me in a way that years of 'typical American Church' never did.  I now live trying to simply love Him and learn to be righteous. 

Thank you for leading me there with your work and sacrifices. I wish I had it in my power to give you all a wheelbarrow full of cash, it would be a small payment for convicting me to come to God.

That. is. Awesome.   

[SC lady]

I was a practicing Witch when someone recommended that I join WTM to learn more about herbal healing.  I did, mainly because I wanted to learn more about herbs and incorporate them into my witchcraft.  When I joined, I found out about 7xs because the registration emails came from here.  Eventually I got curious and came over here to check stuff out and found a representation of God that affected me in a way that years of 'typical American Church' never did.  I now live trying to simply love Him and learn to be righteous. 

Thank you for leading me there with your work and sacrifices. I wish I had it in my power to give you all a wheelbarrow full of cash, it would be a small payment for convicting me to come to God.

That. is. Awesome.   

PRAISE!

[rainygladness]

Maybe it was not my perrogative to say what I did

Gabe, I didn't mean to nitpik... just trying to understand. It's your perrogative to say whatever you like.   
I'm thankful for the years this forum has been available.  Even though I've read much more than I've posted, I've grown and learned so much.  (Maybe that's why I've grown so much, lol)

I just finished reading the God or Mammon doc and will ask my husband to read it. Your studies are almost as radical as his.    God's doing great things with the men whose eyes are open and hearts are following hard after His.     
May God bless you as you seek him and reward you in full for your labors of love.    I hope God will make a way to keep 7xs here. 

[Laughter]

Gabe & Beka:

I’ve wanted to post before, never did…was a little skeered.

You’ll never know how much I’ve needed and appreciated this forum (Family) since I joined.  It has given me hope and kept me going through some rough times the last several months.  Times when I couldn’t or didn’t want to laugh anymore and just wanted to give up.  Satan really knows his business, but the Lord God is Almighty!

When I woke up this morning I felt such a peace …. everything was going to be O.K.  There is power in prayer!  Thanks to all who pray for others on this board.   
As I read that 7x Sunday may not continue,  I cried and prayed for you all.  It has truly been a blessing!

Thanks for your time, wisdom, love  for the Lord and others. 
Thank you!   Thank  you!  Thank you!
May the Lord richly bless you and your family!

-Laughter

[cecac]

Oh my, I have not been around much and just checked back in yesterday.

Heavenly Father,

I pray for Gabe, Rebekah, SClady, Travis, AmyJoy, and HealthyBratt and all the others who have labored in time and in money in this venture.  I pray that You will bless their willingness to be brought to nothing.  I pray that You will reveal yourself to them and help them in this time.  I ask for a job for Gabe, dear Lord, that he may do what it looks as though You are having him do. 

I ask You to forgive me for any time I have misused these sites.  May we all continue to pray for one another and support one another by the power of the Holy Spirit that speaks to us all each and every day.

Amen

Thank you all:  Gabe, Rebekah, SClady, Travis, HealthyBratt, and AmyJoy.

Love to all of you, my brothers and sisters in Christ.
Cara

ETA:  I read most of what you have posted in this thread Gabe.  I will not listen to any of the doctrine, for I am a married woman commanded in the Bible to listen with my husband to doctrine so that I can ask questions from him alone.  In Christ's love I say it, that I think you may take too much upon yourself.  I am finding this in many places in the Body of Christ, in myself as well.  It is as if we think that most everyone in the Church are condemned in one way or another.  You are saying, in my humble view, that many of us will be judged for improper use of money.  You are saying that your teaching must be correct, for no one that has come against you brought any Scripture to the table that would prove you otherwise........

I do not know whether this that you say, any of it, is of God or not.  But what I do know about all of us is that God is working all things for the good of us, for we are in Christ Jesus...........and I also know that the Word says this:

Philippians 3:
13Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

I have been feeling for quite some time that the time has come for Christians in the US to serve and be served in the local body.  I think, perhaps, that we all are being called there, and that from a stronger base there will be more unity.  I personally hold on to the Word of God and my limited ability to understand it and follow it by the power of the Holy Spirit.  I know that you do too.  It has been my experience the past years of my life, and I testify here, that it is true in Philippians.  If we continue to press on our God does reveal even those things in which I am not perfectly minded.

I pray the same thing for you and for all that have been very involved in this venture that is coming to an end. 

Blessings,
Cara

[herbalmom]

This sounds like a good solution to me. I need to talk to DH about it tonight but I think we can kick in some ourselves. Not much b/c we are struggling also but some.

7XS is such a blessing to my family. DH hasn't been big on bible study but his interest in God's word is growing & b/c I tell him about the posts on 7XS he's expressed an interest in studying what you have posted. I would hate for the site to go away just as he became willing to study for himself.

It's a huge blessing to me. The Sarah's Daughters board has given me more solid godly helpmeet teaching than anything else in my life. I don't have any Titus2 women to learn from IRL & I am SO grateful for the teaching I get from the others here.

Just my .02. Blessings ~herbalmom

perhaps a practical solution is to plainly and simply ask for help paying for THIS month's server/web bill (instead of the half bible lesson/half call for donations)... what does one month/payment cost?..... go back to working a paying job, and keeping the site open on a month to month basis based on donations and what you can spare from the new job you need to get... in my observation (and from my wife's opinion, she's MUCH more active here than me,  this has become much more of a community for those with common interests, not just a place for you to reveal what you've learned in your studies.. those studies are important and valuable to many, but the sites can go on without you doing it full-time most likely, plus there's already a zillion threads to keep any new  people occupied while you take some time to earn money to support your family

[ridgerunner]

There's been a lot of talk (on the WTM thread) about how bad it would be if the information on WTM went away and you (Gabe) mentioned that you'd save it as an html file.  What about 7XS?  If the sites go down will the 7XS information be saved?  It's worth a million times more to me than WTM.  Honestly, I can get all the information on WTM from other sources.  Maybe not so free of new-age, maybe not so concise, but it's out there.  The Bible studies on this forum are much more important!  I know that most of the WTMers don't really appreciate the Bible studies here, but a lot of us do and I for one would hate to lose the information HERE.  

[herbalmom]

I don't have any Titus2 women to learn from IRL & I am SO grateful for the teaching I get from the others here.

this is the case for my wife also

she spends some time on 7xsunday forums and much more time on WTM forums and has made some friends and learned some times... honestly i don't spend much time here, but its a blessing to her and i'll pay for that

rally the troops.. how much do we need by.. wednesday was it?

It might have to be by today if I'm reading this correctly but I'm not positive since at one point Gabe says that it will be off on or aroundSept 15 (Tues) & at one point Weds.

The first part of the audio explains why 7xsunday.net, welltellme.com, and urbanexod.us may all be gone on, or around, September 15th, 09.
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So, the reason I’m saying all this is to say that, I love WTM and I love 7xS, but as I understand what God’s doing in my life, I need to disconnect, and the server is going off on Wednesday

[andiclare]

It's a huge blessing to me. The Sarah's Daughters board has given me more solid godly helpmeet teaching than anything else in my life. I don't have any Titus2 women to learn from IRL & I am SO grateful for the teaching I get from the others here.

this is the case for my wife also

she spends some time on 7xsunday forums and much more time on WTM forums and has made some friends and learned some times... honestly i don't spend much time here, but its a blessing to her and i'll pay for that

rally the troops.. how much do we need by.. wednesday was it?

Ditto what herbalmom said. There's nowhere else where I'm learning the right things about marriage and husbands and wives and how to be a helpmeet to my husband. I found this site just a little while after I got engaged. I think this site is where I needed to be and yall are the people who I needed to learn it from, and God in his mercy has fascilitated it all. Yall have offered advice, and personal examples, that I know will stay with me forever.

So, now practical stuff: If the server does go down tomorrow or on Wednesday, but if somehow enough money is donated so the server can come back up...is there any way that we'll know about it? Like, should we just check back at this address every week or so, or maybe someone (Gabe, SC...?) could make an e-mail list and just send out a BCC e-mail to all if the site comes back up? For what it's worth, I think that numbersguy79 has a really good idea in the month-to-month thing. Ultimately I know it's all in God's hands, I pray that His will be done.

There's been a lot of talk (on the WTM thread) about how bad it would be if the information on WTM went away and you (Gabe) mentioned that you'd save it as an html file.  What about 7XS?  If the sites go down will the 7XS information be saved?  It's worth a million times more to me than WTM.  Honestly, I can get all the information on WTM from other sources.  Maybe not so free of new-age, maybe not so concise, but it's out there.  WTM isn't a big deal to me.  The Bible studies on this forum are much more important!  I know that most of the WTMers don't really appreciate the Bible studies here, but a lot of us do and I for one would hate to lose the information HERE. 

I agree totally. I just read the thread over at WTM and it's a little annoying to read some of the people say that they don't care about keeping 7xSunday up, but they'll do anything to keep WTM up. 7xSunday is unique as far as I know online, and I'll do what (very little) I can to help keep it online. It's funny b/c my background is Catholic and in a lot of ways opposite to some of the teachings here, but it tells you something that I feel led to help support this site at the same time I've been led to stop tithing at the particular local church I attend. This is a special place!

[GarlicMomma]

Dear 7xSunday family,

It has been almost exactly 3 years since I joined in with you. I first learned about the site through NGJ and then WTM.  It has been a great 3 years.  Like many others, I have mostly read the scores of information on the sites WTM and 7x.  I have not posted a great deal, feeling most were wiser and more gracious in their mannerisms than myself.  When I myself have faced various trials, the answers were usually search-able in the database or most often the topic of the day.  Maybe others like myself feel that WTM and more so 7x have provided information and answers to the serious and mundane problems that we all/or the some face. And thankfully, from a Godly sighted view.

So thank you's for all the servers, hosts, and moderators  (and their spouses!) over the years that have read, prayed, and wrote over the unseen thousands that come here from across the world.

I have read the transcript/explanations of Gabe's understanding of what may happen to these sites.  I would definitely be unhappy if these sites were gone.  But along with others, at this time, I am unable to give financially.  Personally, I can't help but think that if these sites are meant to stay up that it will be no problem.   God can provide, He has no shortfall.  Cattle on thousands of hills is worth a lot in ground beef, but much more in filet mignon - the good stuff.  God is able.  I am sure of that.

But am I ready to let it go, if God says that it is time to let it go?  Can I go out and be a pioneer in helping others and sharing what I have learned in much the same way G&B have done?  For they are only people, Godly people.  But I am one of the saved too.  I hope not to merely copy what they have done, but to be directed in what God has for me.  Of course, I hope that would not be an option; I like it here.

So, I would love if the sites remain the same.  It may be time to cut the apron strings and send us all out without our bag/site of information and off to relying on what we find in the next town.  May those towns be at peace.

Enough of my ramblings.  Love and blessings to all.  Hope to see you soon.

[khix]

I agree that the info on 7xs is just as important as the info on WTM (and the UE info is important too!).  Maybe an HTML could be saved of 7xs as well?  Or can someone else host it?

Plus, the site/forum/community itself (7xs) is important to so many people....so many ladies who need godly wisdom, but are not finding it locally.  So many who need fellowship, but are not finding it locally.  So many who need support....who need prayer.  And also the countless who have been helped by just reading from a distance.  This site has been invaluable!  I don't know if I'd be where I am today if it wasn't for this site!  I have grown so much!

I know, I know - if it's the Lord's will for the site to be gone, we shall accept it & move on....His ways are higher than our ways.  But, we shall be in mourning for a while!  This site & everyone on it will be sorely missed!   

Still praying for a miracle!

I was a practicing Witch when someone recommended that I join WTM to learn more about herbal healing.  I did, mainly because I wanted to learn more about herbs and incorporate them into my witchcraft.  When I joined, I found out about 7xs because the registration emails came from here.  Eventually I got curious and came over here to check stuff out and found a representation of God that affected me in a way that years of 'typical American Church' never did.  I now live trying to simply love Him and learn to be righteous. 

Thank you for leading me there with your work and sacrifices. I wish I had it in my power to give you all a wheelbarrow full of cash, it would be a small payment for convicting me to come to God.

That. is. Awesome.  

DITTO!!! 

and it's exactly the reason why sites like 7xs are needed!

[kenshelpmeet]

We're praying that this can be resolved as well, without losing any information.  I'm here, but quiet, for the most part, because I don't feel I have much to give.  I am learning  from all of you and I am so thankful for your comments on all of the different subjects.  This is an amazing community.  It is a very special, and much-needed, gift from God.   

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