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« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2007, 02:27:42 AM »
Quote from: Titus2:3wife on July 06, 2006, 06:51:37 PM
As far as my research goes, there is no actual "drum" in the bible(instrument beat with sticks).  There was only tambret and timbrels and the like; which were likened unto a cymbal and tambourine.  But no drums.  Then, I found out that the actual drum(bass and snare) that are in use today were invented by the Druids.  They would use the beats as they performed their demonic sacrifices, etc. 

Well I didn't see any mention of David playing a piano or organ, so let's rip them right out of the sanctuary also.

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That's my bit of sarcasm for the night. I honestly think it's more a matter of taste and less a matter of Scriptural relevance. I respect it when a something like this just isn't cutting it for someone. For instance, drums aren't your thing- and I totally respect that. Sufficed to say... Drums are *my* thing.  Smiley I think it's a question of taste, not a question of sanctity. I sincerely love many of Jack Chick's tracts and his writings, but on this one I simply cannot agree one iota.
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« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2007, 07:21:05 AM »
Beware the black keys on the piano. They are evil also Shocked

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« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2007, 07:42:11 AM »
I had a church of Christ friend in school who told me the reason they don't have music is because "...the Bible doesn't say we CAN have it, so we want to be on the safe side."  My response was, "...well, the Bible doesn't say we can have padded pews, either."

The nature of sin is to take that which God has created for good and use it for ill.  No one can convince me that God did not create music.  When a child hears the beat of a drum, I guess you could argue that it is demonic influence over that child which cause him to move, but I would not agree with that.  Just because the druids or whomever used a thing in a ritual does not make it wrong.  I am sure they used animal sacrifices like pigs and chickens, but I don't see many who oppose music on this basis calling for abstinence from these things because of it.

I think it was said well, before, if it is not your cup of tea, fine.  Don't condemn others.  Read the eating meats section of the Bible.  If you don't listen to drums, don't listen to the glory of God.  When I listen to drums, I am listening to the glory of God.
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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2008, 02:05:17 PM »
I recently completed an extensive Bible study on the topic of whether Contemporary Christian Music (including rock-based Praise & Worship music) was OK in God's sight.  This consisted of reviewing every usage of a musical instrument in the Bible, as well as every instance of “praise,” “worship,” “song,” and “hymn.” I also read (twice) the book Why I Left the Contemporary Christian Music Movement by Dan Lucarini, and I listed to (twice) a broadcast from Bob Jones University called "Deviant Worship" by Mark Minnick, and I carefully examined every scripture reference they provided for their argument that CCM is evil.

I found no indication that God frowns upon certain instruments or musical styles. Yes, biblical worship involves a great deal of reverence and honor. But praise is simply making a joyful noise that tells how great God is. The Bible seems to encourage a diversity in instruments and ways to sing God’s praise.

So far I can see no biblical reason why worship music cannot use a contemporary style. Forbidding this seems to be simply an example of “commandments and doctrines of men” (Col 2: 22). In fact, if these music styles may be helpful in encouraging more people to be saved and begin the Christian life, the Bible provides more support for it than warning against it.

Following are links to my notes from the Bible study, in case you find them helpful or you would like to offer correction:

http://www.laheyfamily.us/Bible_study_CCM/Key_verses.pdf
http://www.laheyfamily.us/Bible_study_CCM/Instruments_in_Bible.pdf
http://www.laheyfamily.us/Bible_study_CCM/Examination_of_'Deviant_Worship'.pdf
http://www.laheyfamily.us/Bible_study_CCM/Examination_of_Lucarini's_book.pdf
http://www.laheyfamily.us/Bible_study_CCM/Summary&Conclusion.pdf
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« Reply #34 on: January 28, 2008, 09:18:24 AM »
Quote from: jesse on January 26, 2008, 02:05:17 PM
So far I can see no biblical reason why worship music cannot use a contemporary style.

Wow- thanks for that awesome post!

I have attended several churches in my life, one of which had a worship team that on occasion played emo-rock for worship...  The other one (which I currently attend) is at least 50% African American and the musical is quite, quite impressive. The worship is absolutely awesome. I never knew I enjoyed R&B nearly as much as I do.

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« Reply #35 on: January 28, 2008, 10:34:06 AM »

When I was just recently on that week long missions trip to Jamaica I learned what I consider totally awesome forms of praise and worship music. I mean it was totally amazing, I cant even begin to describe the  spiritual high of it. I felt the Holy Spirit right then and there so strongly that it stirred my emotions into tears which is not a normal thing for me because I don't care for most church music. It was like God was there in that little church  singing and dancing right along with us and I just bet He was.

I always knew in America that many of our Christian circles  felt negatively about the use of drums and other music forms. But once I was in my 1 st Jamaican church service and felt the Holy Spirit 1st hand during their praise and worship I knew how fruitless some Christans in America and elsewhere  can take their beliefs on only having certain kinds of music.  They could be denying others  of using music to praise God in their own style. If we took the hymnal only piano and organ only music to Jamaica in their churches  the crowds would perhaps fall alseep and wonder what was wrong with us. They might even think we had been possed by some kind of sleep inducing  demon or something! LOL.

I was thinking :
" how dare anyone try and tell these lovely Christians that their style of true praise and worship is not godly according to American old fashion church standards. ??"

 I have NEVER in my life saw entire crowds of ppl in churches here in America truly feeling the HOLY SPIRT and praising God In their music  all at the same time while it is showing on their faces.  Im sure this can happen in any country but I have not saw it as of yet here in America. I mean it was Gods love on their faces not fake cheesy smiles or dry poker faces. They dont have easy access to doctors, money,  they have no walmarts or other stores like that, and other means to take care of themselves so they must rely on God, they must have faith in Him, therefor they have saw many miracles and are very thankful to God for them.

The music was from their heart and soul and not just done for formality. They would jump up and down twist around thanking Jesus for dying for their sins and thanking God for their food and clothes and whatever else they have even tho they don't have much.

Ppl would throw their hands into the air in tears saying things like  " thankyou Jesus for healing me back in bla bla bla, I could not have made it all these years without you! Praise JESUS PRAISE JESUS! We need you forever JESUS!"

It was loud and sometimes mega loud but not done in an unorganized  wild way according to their culture. Now to the American culture it might be considered some what unorganized because their is no set amount of time for music and preaching and so forth. So this can go on for hours and it did.

The churches I was at had excellent drummers. The drums are a must it  would appear and the drums added a wonderful sound to their style of music. It was not done in any kind of improper style nor was their any dirty dancing or grinding. Infact in 1 church a 2 year old little boy decided he was gonna go up on the stage and start playing the drums to help out the preacher because preaching is often done in sing-talk with the drums and other instraments. That little boy had great rhythem and done a great job.

One young man was endlessly smiling and reflecting the very love of Jesus from his face when he would dance and sing. He had a special love for others and that was easy to see after church when he visited with others. During the music he kept endlessly dancing and smiling that smile that I dont see on to many faces here.

So needless to say during the Jamaica church services I got a better work out then I could ever get at the YMCA. And it was fun, exciting and stirred by soul to tears and made me want to march right up to heaven and give Jesus a big OL hug and squeeze for doing all He has done for me.

So IMO it can be needless and fruitless to leave out other styles and forms of praise and worship music just because they are not the popular norm. I'm glad that attitude has not affected the Jamaican churches. Infact 2 differant Jamaicans ,who had been to America, asked me why the American churches did not feel the love of God enough to smile and dance while doing their church music. I told them it is just a culture thing and that there are many forms of churches in America and that some do  and some don't.

IMO praise and worship music styles ( Christian music) are just a cultural and personal preferance.

So I say give me those drums and loud music in church because it stirs my soul into true worship not boredom induced naps.

Attached below is a pic of the drummer boys church which is also a school throughout the week. The other pic is of the drummer boy using drum sticks to make his music on a wooden bench, he later uncovered the drum  and symbols to use. He has a white shirt on behind that wire thingy. he was soo cute and had great rhythm.
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« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2008, 12:29:17 PM »
Jesse, thanks for that study. I have not read through it yet, but I will!

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« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2008, 12:13:54 PM »
Here's one of the oldest treatises on the evils of CCM:
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf02.vi.iii.ii.iv.html

Note how easily Clement explained away the use of musical instruments in the Scriptures.

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« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2011, 03:37:46 PM »
If you feel that Christian R&R is O.K., do you think it might give our children a taste for the beat that will cause them to want to listen to secular rock and roll as well?
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