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Gabriel Anast
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« on: February 04, 2010, 03:14:37 PM »

I grabbed this post from one of the prayer threads because its something that I wanted to comment on, hope you don't mind, Herbalmom:

DH is trying to quit smoking. He was using nicotine gum but it makes his mouth hurt so he's not using it much. He's smoked for about 40 years & he has a hard time quitting. He's tried many times but always ends up going back to it. Please pray that this time he will quit for good. TIA. Love in Christ ~herbalmom

My opinion is that the addictiveness of smoking is not (primarily) the nicotine... and thus the reason that the "patch" and gum, etc have such low (read: marginal) success rates. As I understand the addiction, it is to the ammonia free-based nicotine, sugars, and other enhancers in most commercial tobacco products (including cigars, most pipe tobacco, chewing tobacco, etc).

The answer, in my opinion is not to quit smoking... at least not at first... but to quite smoking commercial products. One of the easiest ways to move to smoking better tobacco would be to smoke a pipe instead of cigarettes. This way you can grantee that what you are smoking is simply pure tobacco (or, better yet, other herbal blends... try mullein + lavender + a bit of chopped pine needles). Of course you have to make sure that you buy un-processed tobacco... or grow your own.

Once you make the transition to plain tobacco, my observation of similar addictions (fast food, soft drinks, etc) indicates that it will be much easier to quit smoking altogether... or to just smoke whenever you want to instead of feeling physically compelled to smoke all the time.

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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2010, 03:39:21 PM »

I would agree - it was much easier for my father-in-law to quit smoking his pipe (and he didn't try to get pure tobacco) than my father who smoked cigarettes.  Neither were smoking heavily though by the time they actually quit.

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2010, 01:15:05 AM »

I don't mind at all Gabe.  Cheesy DH can use all the help he can get & he would agree to that.

Gabe, I read your post that says the same the same basic thing over on WTM to DH & it makes sense to both of us.

One of the easiest ways to quite smoking is to smoke things that do not have the ammonia base that most commercially available cigarettes, cigars, tobaccos, have.

The best way to do this is to buy high grade tobacco and roll your own. You might want to buy filters, and (this is from observation, not experience) I think that it helps to smoke a number of different types of tobacco. For instance, buy a pipe and pipe tobacco that is additive free. Buy American Spirit or Santa Fe Natural cigarettes and smoke with a filter, and buy some other organic additive free tobacco and roll your own... also smoke with a filter.

Most studies focus on the levels of nicotine and presume (rightfully so in a limited respect) that plasma nicotine levels are the addictive factor in cigarette smoking. However I would disagree. I think that tobacco is not naturally addicting, it is the additives (reference needed here).

I know pipe smokers that smoke once a day, or once a week depending on how much time they have to smoke. The nicotine may be the pleasure in smoking, but it is not addictive in their case. I also know a lot of Navajo and Pueblo indians... and I have never known a full blood indian that is a chain smoker. Why? I am not sure about this, but I think that it is because their culture commonly uses smoke, incense, and actual smoking of various herbs for ceremonial and therapeutic purposes. In other words, back to the idea that smoking a variety of things allows you to understand the negative craving that cigarettes induce.  I think they "know how to smoke" and are thus not addicted. I am not sure I can expand on that idea much... but here is a relevant story:

I worked on many construction sites with Native Americans, and when it came to break-time, commonly one of them would ask for a cigarette from a chain smoking white co-worker. Once lit, he would take a drag and pass it to another Native American worker who would do the same. Maybe five guys would share the same cigarette, the first usually finishing it after it "went around" once, or after smoking as much as he desired offering the rest to whomever wanted it. That was it. That was the only cigarette that any of them would smoke that day.

Once you have understood the way regular cigarettes effect you physiologically and mentally you will be able to put them away, and smoke something less addictive when the craving arises. After a short while (maybe a month or two) I believe that most addicted smokers will be able to completely put the habit away, or smoke at will.

So, just to clarify, when I say smoke a variety of things I am not talking about Marijuana or other illegal drugs, I am talking about cloves or additive free cigarette tobacco, or pipe tobacco, or if you can handle it, additive free cigars or "cigar-ettes" so called  Lips Sealed.

Use quality Cedar Incense in the house, and realise that the addiction is not in "smoking"... it is in smoking the cheap, commonly available, additive laden stuff that almost every cigarette smoker uses.

--gabe

PS: I don't smoke and never have. I even tried to smoke cigars once, but... I just couldn't. Nevertheless I think my observations are correct and would like to hear results of such an experiment.


The problem I run into with getting DH to do this is the $$$. Just before he got the nicotine gum we bought a second hand roller with the idea of at least lowering the cost then he bought American Spirit organic tobacco with the idea of getting him off the reg cigs & pesticides.  The price of the American Spirit organic tobacco was $13.?? with tax for 40g- about 1 1/2 ounces. It only made about 1 1/2 packs (a pack is 20 cigs) although likely part of the problem was that he was learning how to use the roller & it takes some getting used to. I just looked on line & that amount of tobacco is supposed to do about 60 cigs (3 packs) although I think that is probably for hand rolled, smaller cigs.  So between tobacco & tubes (our roller takes tubes) it would work out to between $4.50 to $6.75 a pack- closer to $6.75 b/c I still don't see getting 60 cigs out of that amount of tobacco- more likely 40. We're tight on money now & the $3.70 a pack he pays now (generic cigs in Colorado) is a money crunch when he's up to almost 1 1/2 packs a day. At $4.50 to $6.75 a pack price it would really add up.

I don't know though, I also read where someone that smoked reg cigs smoked a large pack (25 ct- at least 1 brand comes in that pack size) per day & when he switched to American Spirit pre rolled he went down to a reg pack (20 cigs) per day. So maybe it does somewhat balance out if you smoke less per day. Makes sense that you would smoke less of them since they don't add the addicting chemicals or the stuff to make the tobacco burn faster. 

I don't know what's going to be the best route for DH right now. The reason he has the gum is b/c he had to go into the VA to get a script filled for an eye infection & the last 2 times he had been in they had asked him if he wanted to quit & he had said he was thinking about it so when he went for the script they asked again.  He finally agreed to get the gum & they gave him a script for gum with lots of refills. I was VERY surprised when he came home with that- he can't say that the gum is too expensive now which he has said before.  Wink Considering the org script he went in to get filled was for an eye infection he didn't even know he had- see here- I think maybe God's hand was in all of this.

So far at first he used lots of the gum while smoking maybe a few cigs a day, then cut back on the gum b/c he really doesn't like it & went back up to about 1/2 pack a day & now he's back to more gum & just bumming a few a day from co workers so he doesn't have them in his pocket to be easy to get. (Most of his coworkers are also heavy smokers)

So we'll see how it works out. He really would like to quit for good. Prayers would be appreciated. Blessings ~herbalmom



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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2010, 01:20:58 AM »

Use quality Cedar Incense in the house,

Gabe, why do you suggest burning Cedar Incense? Also, I have Cedar logs (& a teen DS that loves a chance to use an ax or hatchet  Wink) here at the house- do you have good instructions for making my own?   

Also, DH does like pipes so he might switch to a pipe most of the time (along with self rolled cigs) if he doesn't quit altogether. Do you know of good pipe tobacco sources, preferably organic?

TIA Blessings ~herbalmom
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2010, 08:03:51 AM »

My husband switched to American Spirit over a year ago.  At the time he noticed that he had withdrawals - coming off the addictive chemicals from the regular cigarettes he normally bought.  The American Spirit also seemed to be more satisfying so that he wasn't smoking as many.  But he is still addicted. Sad  He smokes more when he's stressed.   

I'm interested in the use of cedar incense too.  I've been reading that breathing the scent of black pepper essential oil can reduce smokers cravings, but I haven't gotten any yet for him to try.  Maybe I will this weekend.  A friend of ours who owns the health food store that we frequent gave him a homeopathic kit for smokers that has lobelia and nux vomica, but it didn't really help him.
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2010, 08:40:58 AM »

My suggestion would be to help the person deal with the symptoms of withdrawal as he/she seeks to cut back/quit.

Nicotine has some anti-inflammatory properties. As a person reduces nicotine dosage, there could be some constriction due to inflammation. This may enhance the cravings as the body is used to having nicotine to reduce this symptoms.

Curcumin is an extract of the spice Turmeric which may help with these symptoms -- comes in capsules.

I would consider taking anti-inflammatory herbs in the form of a tea. Eucalyptus could be boiled and the steam inhaled. Peppermint as a tea, or in a topical ointment (also the eucalyptus in this application) could all be helpful.

The recommendation of Cedar smoke is helpful because Cedar is an astringent, diuretic and cough suppressant. You wouldn't even have to smoke the cedar if you could bundle it into an incense stick, light it and let it smolder nearby.

Valerian root, Catnip and chamomile are all helpful for the jitters. In a tea, they help calm the nerves and encourage relaxation. They each have varying effects on different people, so try them to see which works best. I don't have any trouble with drinking them during the day and still functioning, but some would fall asleep.

I'm thinking that if a person has made the decision to stop the habit, I would just want to do as much as I could to help him/her with the physical symptoms that result.

My 2 cents  Smiley
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Gabriel Anast
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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2010, 11:25:33 AM »

I would also assume that American Spirit cigarettes are still ammonia free based and have natural additives. Wow... just found this: Why Files... what a messed up world.

Anyway... its seems that it is very difficult to buy natural tobacco... and that as much as the government has appeared to dislike the big tobacco players... if you google "natural tobacco" it seems that they dislike the natural players even more. Typical.

So, here are a few links:

Natural tobacco
http://www.thetobaccoshop.com/
http://www.tobaccostation.com/
http://www.ryocigarette.com/

Natural tobacco seed
http://www.eonseed.com/catalog501.html#TOBACCO
http://www.newhopeseed.com/tobacco/varieties.htm
http://www.organicaseedco.com/tobaccoseeds.html

How to grow, harvest, prepare...
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/aa260
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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2010, 04:37:41 PM »

For anyone who is struggling with this...
My husband stared smoking at 12, and he has tried sooo may ways to quit.  Nothing worked until he tried the electric cigarette.  It seems like a gimmick, but for him it worked, and FAST, too! He only got the starter pack and he was done smoking before  the pack was gone!
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2010, 09:22:03 AM »

     I noticed that you are talking about natural tobacco and roll your own cigarettes. I know that American Spirit is an all natural tobacco.  But there are cheaper all natural tobacco brands. You can find them at www.threefeatherstobacco.com . You have to look at each brand sold and see if it says 100% additive free all natural tobacco. They are all made by native americans. But they are not all natural cigs   




     
 
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